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I still dont understand what is wrong with that deal? Apple has the option to go to Bing and the user has the option to change the default search engine.

by sumedh 6y ago

ummonk 6y ago
I do think it's a lot better than the situation on Android phones. At least changing the default search engine is relatively easy on iOS (I've changed all my personal devices over to duckduckgo).
- dannyw 6y ago
  I want to have my own choice of search engine than Google/Yahoo/Bing/DuckDuckGo. I can't on iOS, I must choose from the 4 options and cannot supply my own. Specifically: I want to use Yandex as an Australian.
  - walterbell 6y ago
    Workaround: set search engine to DDG, then use !ya to search via Yandex.
BlackFly 6y ago
It is a feedback cycle that has a negative effect on all consumers, not just the consumers that would use a different search engibne. The feedback works like this: 1. Google is dominant and can outbid competitors. 2. Many (most?) users will not change default search provider so long as it is basically functional. 3. Google's competitors will only attract a minority of customers that realize they can change and decide to. 4. Google stays dominant and competition is stifled and with it any improvements. As a user of alternate search engines, I am hurt because if 2 did not occur and people that did not care were distributed evenly then my search provider would have more revenue and would presumably hire more engineers to improve the service. Another competitor cannot capture that revenue from 2 simply because Google can always outbid them because of their dominance. Of course, there are some number of people who would switch to Google if the default was Bing, but is it significantly different than the people switching now?
- sumedh 6y ago
  > Google is dominant and can outbid competitors But Google is not the only dominant player, MS, Facebook, Amazon even Apple have the resources to make their own search engine and can pay others so that their search engine is the default one. In this case MS can pay Apple to make Bing as the default.
  - wffurr 6y ago
    Can you imagine the reaction to a default Facebook search on iPhones? Users would abandon them in droves.

I still dont understand what is wrong with that deal? Apple has the option to go to Bing and the user has the option to change the default search engine.

by sumedh 6y ago

I still dont understand what is wrong with that deal? Apple has the option to go to Bing and the user has the option to change the default search engine.

ummonk 6y ago

I do think it's a lot better than the situation on Android phones. At least changing the default search engine is relatively easy on iOS (I've changed all my personal devices over to duckduckgo).

dannyw 6y ago
I want to have my own choice of search engine than Google/Yahoo/Bing/DuckDuckGo. I can't on iOS, I must choose from the 4 options and cannot supply my own. Specifically: I want to use Yandex as an Australian.
- walterbell 6y ago
  Workaround: set search engine to DDG, then use !ya to search via Yandex.

BlackFly 6y ago

It is a feedback cycle that has a negative effect on all consumers, not just the consumers that would use a different search engibne. The feedback works like this: 1. Google is dominant and can outbid competitors. 2. Many (most?) users will not change default search provider so long as it is basically functional. 3. Google's competitors will only attract a minority of customers that realize they can change and decide to. 4. Google stays dominant and competition is stifled and with it any improvements. As a user of alternate search engines, I am hurt because if 2 did not occur and people that did not care were distributed evenly then my search provider would have more revenue and would presumably hire more engineers to improve the service. Another competitor cannot capture that revenue from 2 simply because Google can always outbid them because of their dominance. Of course, there are some number of people who would switch to Google if the default was Bing, but is it significantly different than the people switching now?

sumedh 6y ago
> Google is dominant and can outbid competitors But Google is not the only dominant player, MS, Facebook, Amazon even Apple have the resources to make their own search engine and can pay others so that their search engine is the default one. In this case MS can pay Apple to make Bing as the default.
- wffurr 6y ago
  Can you imagine the reaction to a default Facebook search on iPhones? Users would abandon them in droves.