> Have you ever lived on that lifestyle to check your assumption that they have "very little incentive to try and find a job"? Yes, I've lived and clawed my wa

> Have you ever lived on that lifestyle to check your assumption that they have "very little incentive to try and find a job"? Yes, I've lived and clawed my way out of that lifestyle. And yes, I absolutely feel most have very little incentive to do so. I am told these days welfare benefits fraud is something at some tiny fraction of less than 1%, but my experience and those of my friends who have grown up similarly really shows a vastly stark difference between lived experience and statistics. If you'd have asked me growing up I would have told you benefits fraud was rampant and the norm. Now I'm not so sure, but I am absolutely certain the definition of fraud has changed. Fraud to me and many others is "someone who could otherwise get a job but puts no effort into doing so or improving themselves towards being a self sufficient person" - where to others it seems more outright fraud in a white collar sense like claiming too many dependents. It's a difficult topic for me because the "science" so jarringly conflicts with my lived experience.