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Whether they have the effect of "[de-legitimizing] voices not in ideological lockstep with their own", the stated goal is often to prevent brigading. If you don

by kixiQu 6y ago

Whether they have the effect of "[de-legitimizing] voices not in ideological lockstep with their own", the stated goal is often to prevent brigading. If you don't think that's a real problem, don't think that people are seeking solutions in good faith, or don't think these solutions are effective, please say that.

omanom 6y ago
I think brigading is a real enough problem that moderators/administrators need to at the very minimum be aware of it and ready to step in if needed. I think Matrix is seeking a solution in good faith. I don't think the Reddit situation I brought up was a solution founded in good faith. I don't think these solutions are effective, however I unfortunately do not have an alternative to suggest which would be effective.
- phone8675309 6y ago
  >I think brigading is a real enough problem that moderators/administrators need to at the very minimum be aware of it and ready to step in if needed. I also think that brigading on reddit is an inherent problem with the way that reddit is structured and that no amount of stapled on tools will fix the problem in the most general case because they can't make the determination on the intent of the person accused of brigading. At best they can detect patterns of repeat behavior in an automated fashion.
whatshisface 6y ago
The parent comment is saying that, they're saying that they're used to solve a problem other than the one they're stated to solve.
phone8675309 6y ago
> the stated goal is often to prevent brigading I believe stated goal to be a figleaf > If you don't think that's a real problem, don't think that people are seeking solutions in good faith, or don't think these solutions are effective, please say that. I don't think that the majority of people deploying these solutions on reddit are doing so in good faith. Hope that clarifies my position.

by kixiQu 6y ago

omanom 6y ago

I think brigading is a real enough problem that moderators/administrators need to at the very minimum be aware of it and ready to step in if needed. I think Matrix is seeking a solution in good faith. I don't think the Reddit situation I brought up was a solution founded in good faith. I don't think these solutions are effective, however I unfortunately do not have an alternative to suggest which would be effective.

phone8675309 6y ago
>I think brigading is a real enough problem that moderators/administrators need to at the very minimum be aware of it and ready to step in if needed. I also think that brigading on reddit is an inherent problem with the way that reddit is structured and that no amount of stapled on tools will fix the problem in the most general case because they can't make the determination on the intent of the person accused of brigading. At best they can detect patterns of repeat behavior in an automated fashion.

whatshisface 6y ago

The parent comment is saying that, they're saying that they're used to solve a problem other than the one they're stated to solve.

phone8675309 6y ago

> the stated goal is often to prevent brigading I believe stated goal to be a figleaf > If you don't think that's a real problem, don't think that people are seeking solutions in good faith, or don't think these solutions are effective, please say that. I don't think that the majority of people deploying these solutions on reddit are doing so in good faith. Hope that clarifies my position.