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Would it be fair to say Retool is a spiritual successor to Visual Basic, upon which a whole generation of enterprise apps was built?

dvdhsu 6y ago
Yes, certainly! "VB in the cloud" is a pretty good description of Retool. (I think we're a quite a bit more developer friendly, but it's certainly 80% correct.)
- swyx 6y ago
  surprised at the final comment. was VB not developer friendly? this wasnt my perception.
  - mst 6y ago
    Depends how you define developer. VB was definitely "business oriented scripter" friendly. When I needed to do something that felt more like programming than scripting it annoyed the hell out of me. Note: It was still awesome overall, and the time I spent swearing at it for the complex logic parts was more than worth it for the time and pain I saved elsewhere, but I think that's what the retool founder's trying to gesture at.
jeswin 6y ago
I like Retool, but having used both (VB for nearly a decade in the 90s, till .Net came along), and I don't think the comparison is accurate. Visual Basic represented the high-water mark for developer productivity[1] when it came to small/medium apps. And that's not just Forms apps. You could build a TCP server on it. You could build embeddable COM components, embed a Web Browser, do Distributed Transactions, make a System tray app, connect to any database that you choose, Web Apps, etc. It had a great interop story with COM/C++ code (which allowed you to do embed stuff like, say Telephony, with just a few lines of code). There's truly a market for a reincarnation of VB. I don't think Retool would be that, because the capabilities will never align. VB is much "lower level" relatively, and that was its strength. [1]: As long as you stuck to Windows, which was the case in the 90s.
zubairq 6y ago
Retool definitely has similarities to Visual Basic. Actually we are also trying to build a spiritual successor to Visual Basic at Appshare.co, but we still have a long way to go. I think that Retool is far more like a polished RAD tool right now than Appshare as a SQL Builder tool however, so really happy to see this investment and wish them best of luck!

dvdhsu 6y ago

Yes, certainly! "VB in the cloud" is a pretty good description of Retool. (I think we're a quite a bit more developer friendly, but it's certainly 80% correct.)

swyx 6y ago
surprised at the final comment. was VB not developer friendly? this wasnt my perception.
- mst 6y ago
  Depends how you define developer. VB was definitely "business oriented scripter" friendly. When I needed to do something that felt more like programming than scripting it annoyed the hell out of me. Note: It was still awesome overall, and the time I spent swearing at it for the complex logic parts was more than worth it for the time and pain I saved elsewhere, but I think that's what the retool founder's trying to gesture at.

jeswin 6y ago

I like Retool, but having used both (VB for nearly a decade in the 90s, till .Net came along), and I don't think the comparison is accurate. Visual Basic represented the high-water mark for developer productivity[1] when it came to small/medium apps. And that's not just Forms apps. You could build a TCP server on it. You could build embeddable COM components, embed a Web Browser, do Distributed Transactions, make a System tray app, connect to any database that you choose, Web Apps, etc. It had a great interop story with COM/C++ code (which allowed you to do embed stuff like, say Telephony, with just a few lines of code). There's truly a market for a reincarnation of VB. I don't think Retool would be that, because the capabilities will never align. VB is much "lower level" relatively, and that was its strength. [1]: As long as you stuck to Windows, which was the case in the 90s.

zubairq 6y ago

Retool definitely has similarities to Visual Basic. Actually we are also trying to build a spiritual successor to Visual Basic at Appshare.co, but we still have a long way to go. I think that Retool is far more like a polished RAD tool right now than Appshare as a SQL Builder tool however, so really happy to see this investment and wish them best of luck!