Yeah I know. Most of the people who comment about biking and transit in the netherlands seem to miss the fact that the dutch story is pretty moderate. 20 year

Yeah I know. Most of the people who comment about biking and transit in the netherlands seem to miss the fact that the dutch story is pretty moderate. 20 year olds in cities don't have cars. 40 year olds with kids generally do, and a lot depends on where exactly you live. The Netherlands does a nice job of providing multiple options. The train and bus links ing rural areas are especially impressive, compared to what we (ireland) have. But... it doesn't replace cars. Cars still exist. People use them, just less. It's moderate.