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And also maybe 80% of the blame for starting the war was Russia's too. The war started when Germany invaded Poland, knowing they had nothing to worry about Rus

And also maybe 80% of the blame for starting the war was Russia's too. The war started when Germany invaded Poland, knowing they had nothing to worry about Russia, because they had agreed with Russia to divide Poland between themselves. After Russia entered the war (when Germany surprise-attacked them), Russia received support from the US, who basically financed the war for the russians. The war ended, and Russia -who was an impoverished state before the war- ended as a nuclear superpower who controlled half of Europe. So they started the war, ended the war, and gained more than anyone from the war.

mrguyorama 6y ago
Eh, there was going to be SOME form of war no matter what. Hitler was intent on getting a war, just as the austro-hungarians had been 20 years earlier
- Tainnor 6y ago
  While we have to be very critical about the role of A-H in the leadup to WWI, it's not like they planned or even accepted the possibility of an all-out European war, unlike Hitler who sooner or later was going to envelop all of Europe (maybe except the UK who he would have liked to be his partner, at least for a time). Also, the roles of the Germans, Serbs, Russians and to some extent even French need to be critically analysed too in the case of WWI, while in WWII, you can squarely lay the blame at Germany's feet for the outbreak of the war.
LatteLazy 6y ago
Are you sure it was only 20% hitlers fault...
Tainnor 6y ago
How does this imply that Russia is 80% responsible for the start of WWII? Don't get me wrong, the Red Army committed horrible atrocities in this war, and the plan of dividing up Poland was illegal from both sides, but it was Hitler who started the whole thing, and it was Hitler who doubled crossed Stalin. There might be some responsibility that the Russians share for the outbreak of WWII, but really, this was a war of Hitler's own design.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  > illegal Under what government?
- rasz 6y ago
  Stalin co conspired directly with Hitler. Russia was instrumental in preparing Germany for WW2. https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Military-Soviet-Union/ https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Military-Soviet-Union/ https://www.historynet.com/devils-bargain-germany-and-russia-before-wwii.htm https://www.historynet.com/devils-bargain-germany-and-russia... https://warontherocks.com/2016/06/sowing-the-wind-the-first-soviet-german-military-pact-and-the-origins-of-world-war-ii/ https://warontherocks.com/2016/06/sowing-the-wind-the-first-...

mrguyorama 6y ago

Eh, there was going to be SOME form of war no matter what. Hitler was intent on getting a war, just as the austro-hungarians had been 20 years earlier

Tainnor 6y ago
While we have to be very critical about the role of A-H in the leadup to WWI, it's not like they planned or even accepted the possibility of an all-out European war, unlike Hitler who sooner or later was going to envelop all of Europe (maybe except the UK who he would have liked to be his partner, at least for a time). Also, the roles of the Germans, Serbs, Russians and to some extent even French need to be critically analysed too in the case of WWI, while in WWII, you can squarely lay the blame at Germany's feet for the outbreak of the war.

LatteLazy 6y ago

Are you sure it was only 20% hitlers fault...

Tainnor 6y ago

How does this imply that Russia is 80% responsible for the start of WWII? Don't get me wrong, the Red Army committed horrible atrocities in this war, and the plan of dividing up Poland was illegal from both sides, but it was Hitler who started the whole thing, and it was Hitler who doubled crossed Stalin. There might be some responsibility that the Russians share for the outbreak of WWII, but really, this was a war of Hitler's own design.

srtjstjsj 6y ago
> illegal Under what government?
rasz 6y ago
Stalin co conspired directly with Hitler. Russia was instrumental in preparing Germany for WW2. https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Military-Soviet-Union/ https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Military-Soviet-Union/ https://www.historynet.com/devils-bargain-germany-and-russia-before-wwii.htm https://www.historynet.com/devils-bargain-germany-and-russia... https://warontherocks.com/2016/06/sowing-the-wind-the-first-soviet-german-military-pact-and-the-origins-of-world-war-ii/ https://warontherocks.com/2016/06/sowing-the-wind-the-first-...