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Nothing beats Safari on the Mac, but I’m rooting for Firefox for diversity and innovation on the devtools.

cmdshiftf4 6y ago
Anecdotally I find Safari > Chrome > Firefox on my 2015 MBP. I've been using Firefox, despite its comparatively poor performance, for years now mainly to try to support some competition to Chrome. Admittedly I'm on my way to switching to something else though. The Mozilla Foundation is a bloated, politically preachy catastrophe which clearly does not prioritize Firefox highly anymore and so it feels like the whole thing is, in essence, on borrowed time at this point.
thiht 6y ago
> Nothing beats Safari on the Mac As a Safari user on a MacBook Pro, I disagree. Safari sucks ass. I use it only because it offers the best battery longevity, but that's it. The devtools are horrendous, the text selection is extremely bad (example: https://i.imgur.com/qC7amU1.png https://i.imgur.com/qC7amU1.png), extension support is awful (I only use AdGuard and LastPass and both are bad, I needed to install apps just to use them, and they frequently don't autostart). It's also the only remaining browser that sometimes has plain wrong rendering of elements.
- engineerhead 6y ago
  Sort of true. Switched to Bitwarden from Lastpass because of poor support for Safari by Lastpass.
  - thiht 6y ago
    I'd have phrased it as poor support for LastPass (and every extension) by Safari.
isoskeles 6y ago
What's the extension/addon/plugin situation? The last time I tried, I was annoyed with it and moved back to Firefox.
- thiht 6y ago
  It will supposedly get better with Safari 14 thanks to the support for Web extensions, but I haven't seen any improvement yet
tl 6y ago
Except when you want a browser that actually does what you tell it to. For example (something that I ran into the this morning): try taking screenshots of a video from a streaming service (in this case Hulu). I don't need a lecture of why Apple is broken here; two screenshots is 100% fair use, and the legal ramifications are on me to manage as a responsible adult. - Hulu app on iPad: black rectangle - Hulu site on Safari on macOS: black rectangle - Hulu site on Firefox on macOS: works Now, I prefer Apple's products because they've been historically been more accessible / high performance. But Apple's recent user-hostile behavior is slowly pushing me to switch.

Anecdotally I find Safari > Chrome > Firefox on my 2015 MBP. I've been using Firefox, despite its comparatively poor performance, for years now mainly to try to support some competition to Chrome. Admittedly I'm on my way to switching to something else though. The Mozilla Foundation is a bloated, politically preachy catastrophe which clearly does not prioritize Firefox highly anymore and so it feels like the whole thing is, in essence, on borrowed time at this point.

thiht 6y ago

> Nothing beats Safari on the Mac As a Safari user on a MacBook Pro, I disagree. Safari sucks ass. I use it only because it offers the best battery longevity, but that's it. The devtools are horrendous, the text selection is extremely bad (example: https://i.imgur.com/qC7amU1.png https://i.imgur.com/qC7amU1.png), extension support is awful (I only use AdGuard and LastPass and both are bad, I needed to install apps just to use them, and they frequently don't autostart). It's also the only remaining browser that sometimes has plain wrong rendering of elements.

engineerhead 6y ago
Sort of true. Switched to Bitwarden from Lastpass because of poor support for Safari by Lastpass.
- thiht 6y ago
  I'd have phrased it as poor support for LastPass (and every extension) by Safari.

isoskeles 6y ago

What's the extension/addon/plugin situation? The last time I tried, I was annoyed with it and moved back to Firefox.

thiht 6y ago
It will supposedly get better with Safari 14 thanks to the support for Web extensions, but I haven't seen any improvement yet

tl 6y ago

Except when you want a browser that actually does what you tell it to. For example (something that I ran into the this morning): try taking screenshots of a video from a streaming service (in this case Hulu). I don't need a lecture of why Apple is broken here; two screenshots is 100% fair use, and the legal ramifications are on me to manage as a responsible adult. - Hulu app on iPad: black rectangle - Hulu site on Safari on macOS: black rectangle - Hulu site on Firefox on macOS: works Now, I prefer Apple's products because they've been historically been more accessible / high performance. But Apple's recent user-hostile behavior is slowly pushing me to switch.