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To me, cheaper disks will always win because I expect hard disks to fail and take precautions against data loss anyway. If they fail within the warranty period

To me, cheaper disks will always win because I expect hard disks to fail and take precautions against data loss anyway. If they fail within the warranty period it doesn't really matter where they came from. If they fail outside of it I probably still got my money's worth.

java-man 6y ago
The net effect, paradoxically, is that this encourages and supports low quality. Or perhaps it redirects the resources towards those who need it most, and the average quality improves?
c0m 6y ago
A disk failure is still a cost though in terms of restoring a backup, replacing the failed drive, waiting for an RMA/new drive to come, etc.. If the price delta isn't anything crazy I'd prefer to get something that I know is more reliable.
- pwinnski 6y ago
  Agreed. Within $10/20, of course I'll go for the better drive. When it's $50/60 or more, I get the Seagate and hope I'm lucky. Earlier this year I had a Seagate fail within months of purchase, putting my NAS into degraded performance mode. So I quickly ordered a replacement drive (a WD Red) and started the RMA process for the Seagate. At some point during this process I removed and reinserted the Seagate, and... its been fine since. So now I have a WD cold spare in my closet for whichever drive fails next.
  - karamanolev 6y ago
    I have a few RAIDZ/RAIDZ2 arrays and I've been wondering ... are let's say 8TB from WD/Seagate all the same size making them interchangeable? What if you have an array with WD drives and the Seagate drives turn out to be a few hundred/thousand bytes smaller?
    - gen3 6y ago
      The useable vdev space depends on the smallest drive in the vdev. ie, let's say you have a mirror with 1x8tb and 1x7.9tb, the vdev will be 7.9tb large. In the case of it being just a few bytes smaller, I would assume you just loose a block.
      - rincebrain 6y ago
        Only if all the disks when the vdev were created were the 7.9tb drives. If you have a pool of 8tb drives and want to replace with a 7.9tb drive, you're out of luck.
    - mjevans 6y ago
      I've intentionally under-allocated with array space on my drives and use the rest mostly for swap (which I don't want on ZFS anyway, mdadm raid10 is fine) and backups of /boot; all of which I can sacrifice without worry to make the data fit inside of smaller drives.
      - zepearl 6y ago
        > I've intentionally under-allocated with array space on my drives Same here - created on each drive a partition slightly smaller than the HDD's capacity (using ZFS raidz1).

java-man 6y ago

The net effect, paradoxically, is that this encourages and supports low quality. Or perhaps it redirects the resources towards those who need it most, and the average quality improves?

c0m 6y ago

A disk failure is still a cost though in terms of restoring a backup, replacing the failed drive, waiting for an RMA/new drive to come, etc.. If the price delta isn't anything crazy I'd prefer to get something that I know is more reliable.

pwinnski 6y ago
Agreed. Within $10/20, of course I'll go for the better drive. When it's $50/60 or more, I get the Seagate and hope I'm lucky. Earlier this year I had a Seagate fail within months of purchase, putting my NAS into degraded performance mode. So I quickly ordered a replacement drive (a WD Red) and started the RMA process for the Seagate. At some point during this process I removed and reinserted the Seagate, and... its been fine since. So now I have a WD cold spare in my closet for whichever drive fails next.
- karamanolev 6y ago
  I have a few RAIDZ/RAIDZ2 arrays and I've been wondering ... are let's say 8TB from WD/Seagate all the same size making them interchangeable? What if you have an array with WD drives and the Seagate drives turn out to be a few hundred/thousand bytes smaller?
  - gen3 6y ago
    The useable vdev space depends on the smallest drive in the vdev. ie, let's say you have a mirror with 1x8tb and 1x7.9tb, the vdev will be 7.9tb large. In the case of it being just a few bytes smaller, I would assume you just loose a block.
    - rincebrain 6y ago
      Only if all the disks when the vdev were created were the 7.9tb drives. If you have a pool of 8tb drives and want to replace with a 7.9tb drive, you're out of luck.
  - mjevans 6y ago
    I've intentionally under-allocated with array space on my drives and use the rest mostly for swap (which I don't want on ZFS anyway, mdadm raid10 is fine) and backups of /boot; all of which I can sacrifice without worry to make the data fit inside of smaller drives.
    - zepearl 6y ago
      > I've intentionally under-allocated with array space on my drives Same here - created on each drive a partition slightly smaller than the HDD's capacity (using ZFS raidz1).