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Google doesn't control the OS, just the services that go with it.

whimsicalism 6y ago
You're right - I spoke loosely. I still believe my comments apply if you consider the larger bundle that Google is offering and the terms that come with it, plus the fact that they are leveraging their capital to block competitor app stores from even appearing on the home screen or being installed.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  > ...they are leveraging their capital to block competitor app stores from even appearing on the home screen or being installed. If Google weren't paying manufacturers to not install other app stores, other app stores would be paying manufacturers to install them, which could result in a user experience that Google doesn't control but which users would blame Google for ("Android is slow/buggy!" when in fact it's third party software that is causing the performance issues). Their deals are arguably defensible since they don't block third party app stores entirely, just pre-installed ones. I certainly see the issues with Google parlaying their dominance in the ad market to also dominate the mobile market, but I have a feeling this will be settled with some consent decrees to put up some guardrails in the ad market. The actual harm to consumers from Google's business model is pretty vague and is passed on through marketing expenses that trickle down into product/service prices. If Google disappeared, ads would still cost money and advertising expenses likely wouldn't be drastically lower.
sova 6y ago
There is no way to uninstall Chrome from Android, the best one can do is disable it. Smells like MSFT and IE back in the day. Which lead to what will probably be very similar hearings and results.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  There's an extremely easy way to uninstall Chrome from Android, which is to never install it in the first place. You do that by using the Android open source project. There are a bunch of Android forks in the wild[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_custom_Android_distributions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_custom_Android_distrib...
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    >There are a bunch of Android forks in the wild[1]. That's absolutely correct. And some of those forks are significantly better than the Android OEM offerings by the phone manufacturers. However, that's orthogonal to GP's point. Only a very small percentage[0] of Android users would even consider flashing custom roms, and even fewer would have the knowledge or confidence to do so. As such, the impact of custom roms/no chrome is most likely rounding error for Google. I'd point out that I've used custom roms quite a bit, initially because (as usual) my phone vendor stopped providing updates after a year and after that because custom roms are often better than stock roms. But I'm not your typical user, as I'm technical and it really pisses me off that vendors use the lack of support to pressure folks to buy new phones. [0] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19943324/how-many-users-are-on-custom-roms https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19943324/how-many-users-... (an old link, but it's not likely that much has changed to increase the number of folks using custom roms -- quite likely the opposite)
  - sova 6y ago
    Nice, just root the phone, awesome and straightforward ?
  - valeness 6y ago
    Doesn't this violate the ToS for a lot of phones and providers?

You're right - I spoke loosely. I still believe my comments apply if you consider the larger bundle that Google is offering and the terms that come with it, plus the fact that they are leveraging their capital to block competitor app stores from even appearing on the home screen or being installed.

mullingitover 6y ago
> ...they are leveraging their capital to block competitor app stores from even appearing on the home screen or being installed. If Google weren't paying manufacturers to not install other app stores, other app stores would be paying manufacturers to install them, which could result in a user experience that Google doesn't control but which users would blame Google for ("Android is slow/buggy!" when in fact it's third party software that is causing the performance issues). Their deals are arguably defensible since they don't block third party app stores entirely, just pre-installed ones. I certainly see the issues with Google parlaying their dominance in the ad market to also dominate the mobile market, but I have a feeling this will be settled with some consent decrees to put up some guardrails in the ad market. The actual harm to consumers from Google's business model is pretty vague and is passed on through marketing expenses that trickle down into product/service prices. If Google disappeared, ads would still cost money and advertising expenses likely wouldn't be drastically lower.

sova 6y ago

There is no way to uninstall Chrome from Android, the best one can do is disable it. Smells like MSFT and IE back in the day. Which lead to what will probably be very similar hearings and results.

mullingitover 6y ago
There's an extremely easy way to uninstall Chrome from Android, which is to never install it in the first place. You do that by using the Android open source project. There are a bunch of Android forks in the wild[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_custom_Android_distributions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_custom_Android_distrib...
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >There are a bunch of Android forks in the wild[1]. That's absolutely correct. And some of those forks are significantly better than the Android OEM offerings by the phone manufacturers. However, that's orthogonal to GP's point. Only a very small percentage[0] of Android users would even consider flashing custom roms, and even fewer would have the knowledge or confidence to do so. As such, the impact of custom roms/no chrome is most likely rounding error for Google. I'd point out that I've used custom roms quite a bit, initially because (as usual) my phone vendor stopped providing updates after a year and after that because custom roms are often better than stock roms. But I'm not your typical user, as I'm technical and it really pisses me off that vendors use the lack of support to pressure folks to buy new phones. [0] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19943324/how-many-users-are-on-custom-roms https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19943324/how-many-users-... (an old link, but it's not likely that much has changed to increase the number of folks using custom roms -- quite likely the opposite)
- sova 6y ago
  Nice, just root the phone, awesome and straightforward ?
- valeness 6y ago
  Doesn't this violate the ToS for a lot of phones and providers?