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Not sure anyone else's experience but every time I bring up supporting browsers other than Chrome I just get sarcasm at best and belligerence at worst from 90%

Not sure anyone else's experience but every time I bring up supporting browsers other than Chrome I just get sarcasm at best and belligerence at worst from 90% of engineers. It's usually down to the remaining 10% to pick up the rest of the pieces. It's extremely frustrating to hear this attitude as someone who was doing front-end dev in the IE6 era.

shadowgovt 6y ago
> from 90% of engineers That's about the right ratio to expect, since less than 10% of browser sessions appear to be Firefox on average. The major difference between this era and the IE6 era is that Microsoft wasn't willing to play ball with standards. With few exceptions, Mozilla and Google are implementing to the same standards and specifications; problem is, Chrome's a better implementation, for speed and stability, in the average case and the corner case. They have both more resources to throw at the problem and more access to data to proactively discover issues. It is, unfortunately, a situation where the playing field is "fair" (in the sense that there's a uniform standard) and one player is just trouncing the alternative.
- kspacewalk2 6y ago
  >problem is, Chrome's a better implementation, for speed and stability, in the average case and the corner case. Corner case maybe, but average case? No way. This is a historic perspective, maybe, but it's no longer valid in 2020.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/15/browser-benchmark-battle-january-2020-chrome-firefox-edge-brave/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/15/browser-benchmark-battle-... Chrome isn't consistently the best of all browsers tested, but it beats FF more often than it doesn't.
- ticmasta 6y ago
  >> Mozilla and Google are implementing to the same standards and specifications; problem is, Chrome's a better implementation, for speed and stability, in the average case and the corner case. This is not the interpretation I make of the current landscape. Google is SETTING standards that directly benefit themselves, just like MS did; Chrome uses it's market share to push in directions that benefit Google before they benefit end users.
ticmasta 6y ago
I'm probably tilting at windmills, but I develop in Firefox, then spend the extra effort to make it work in Chrome for the few areas where behaviour is different. I tend to build stuff for smaller audiences of enterprise-oriented users though; not sure if this would be appropriate for massive consumer plays.

shadowgovt 6y ago

> from 90% of engineers That's about the right ratio to expect, since less than 10% of browser sessions appear to be Firefox on average. The major difference between this era and the IE6 era is that Microsoft wasn't willing to play ball with standards. With few exceptions, Mozilla and Google are implementing to the same standards and specifications; problem is, Chrome's a better implementation, for speed and stability, in the average case and the corner case. They have both more resources to throw at the problem and more access to data to proactively discover issues. It is, unfortunately, a situation where the playing field is "fair" (in the sense that there's a uniform standard) and one player is just trouncing the alternative.

kspacewalk2 6y ago
>problem is, Chrome's a better implementation, for speed and stability, in the average case and the corner case. Corner case maybe, but average case? No way. This is a historic perspective, maybe, but it's no longer valid in 2020.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/15/browser-benchmark-battle-january-2020-chrome-firefox-edge-brave/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/15/browser-benchmark-battle-... Chrome isn't consistently the best of all browsers tested, but it beats FF more often than it doesn't.
ticmasta 6y ago
>> Mozilla and Google are implementing to the same standards and specifications; problem is, Chrome's a better implementation, for speed and stability, in the average case and the corner case. This is not the interpretation I make of the current landscape. Google is SETTING standards that directly benefit themselves, just like MS did; Chrome uses it's market share to push in directions that benefit Google before they benefit end users.

ticmasta 6y ago

I'm probably tilting at windmills, but I develop in Firefox, then spend the extra effort to make it work in Chrome for the few areas where behaviour is different. I tend to build stuff for smaller audiences of enterprise-oriented users though; not sure if this would be appropriate for massive consumer plays.