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Apple is dominant as a monopoly in what exactly? Their own store, their own hardware, their own OS, their own services? Every business Apple is in has large alt

Apple is dominant as a monopoly in what exactly? Their own store, their own hardware, their own OS, their own services? Every business Apple is in has large alternatives. They make money selling you things, not from ads. Everything Google and Facebook do is designed to ensure they make ad revenue or sell your data in some way for money; they need to control every thing in their supposed business (search, android, social media, etc) to ensure they dominate in collecting ad/data revenue which is the only business they make money on. Apple only wants to sell you more devices or device related services which is their business. You can live quite well without any Apple product at all, many people do. Try living without Google. Amazon on the other hand is worse, as they want to control all business segments they get into, even totally unrelated to their business of being a store that sells things. Using your dominance in one type of business to force everyone to also support unrelated businesses with no alternatives is one common definition of monopoly; think dominating railroads to force everyone to use your oil (Standard Oil).

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hef19898 6y ago
Amazon and is not t the same time. eCommerce dominant? Sure, but then you have Alibaba, Shopify and eBay in addition to other marketplaces. Cloud? Surely dominant, but you also have Google and Microsoft. Retail? There Amazon is still small if you include stationary retail. Logistics? As much as everybody is complaining, Amazon Logistics is still more of an in-house alternative to UPS, Fedex, DHL,... So again, no real dominance of the parcel delivery market. It kind of gets tricky when you combine all that, but I assume that this would be a fun thing to argue infornt of a court I guess. Google seems to me to be much more straight forward, they clearly dominate search and web ads. The latter with the exception of social, which would be facebooks domain. And with Android, Google is the second largest player in Mobile if you ignore hthe hardware aspect. Not saying either company should be broken up, that's for couts to decide.
- sidlls 6y ago
  I don't see Alibaba or eBay as competitors to Amazon--the former because it doesn't really operate in the US (almost nobody in the US would know what Alibaba is) and the latter because it just serves a completely different market with different mechanisms and so on. Shopify might be, but it's so tiny in comparison it's hardly unreasonable to suggest it isn't a legitimate competitor. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, might be nearing that status as far as eCommerce is concerned.
cma 6y ago
Apple has >60% dollar share on app purchases.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  What percent of "digital goods" purchases is that? Because it's definitely not 60%. Defining a category like "app purchases" seems extremely narrow and arbitrary - a way to construct a product category that you can then say Apple is dominant in. What's the difference between the "app" Fornite and Fortnite on the Xbox One and why should they be treated as different product categories for the purposes of measuring market share?
stale2002 6y ago
> Their own store, their own hardware, their own OS, their own services? Apple has 50% of the US smart phone market, in a 2 entity duopoly. That is significant market power. > to force everyone to also support unrelated businesses with no alternatives Anti-competitive behavior does not require a singular firm, in order for it to be illegal. Instead, only significant market power is required.

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hef19898 6y ago

Amazon and is not t the same time. eCommerce dominant? Sure, but then you have Alibaba, Shopify and eBay in addition to other marketplaces. Cloud? Surely dominant, but you also have Google and Microsoft. Retail? There Amazon is still small if you include stationary retail. Logistics? As much as everybody is complaining, Amazon Logistics is still more of an in-house alternative to UPS, Fedex, DHL,... So again, no real dominance of the parcel delivery market. It kind of gets tricky when you combine all that, but I assume that this would be a fun thing to argue infornt of a court I guess. Google seems to me to be much more straight forward, they clearly dominate search and web ads. The latter with the exception of social, which would be facebooks domain. And with Android, Google is the second largest player in Mobile if you ignore hthe hardware aspect. Not saying either company should be broken up, that's for couts to decide.

sidlls 6y ago
I don't see Alibaba or eBay as competitors to Amazon--the former because it doesn't really operate in the US (almost nobody in the US would know what Alibaba is) and the latter because it just serves a completely different market with different mechanisms and so on. Shopify might be, but it's so tiny in comparison it's hardly unreasonable to suggest it isn't a legitimate competitor. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, might be nearing that status as far as eCommerce is concerned.

cma 6y ago

Apple has >60% dollar share on app purchases.

AlexandrB 6y ago
What percent of "digital goods" purchases is that? Because it's definitely not 60%. Defining a category like "app purchases" seems extremely narrow and arbitrary - a way to construct a product category that you can then say Apple is dominant in. What's the difference between the "app" Fornite and Fortnite on the Xbox One and why should they be treated as different product categories for the purposes of measuring market share?

stale2002 6y ago

> Their own store, their own hardware, their own OS, their own services? Apple has 50% of the US smart phone market, in a 2 entity duopoly. That is significant market power. > to force everyone to also support unrelated businesses with no alternatives Anti-competitive behavior does not require a singular firm, in order for it to be illegal. Instead, only significant market power is required.