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Looks interesting. Good job! Another REBOL-inspired language is Red [0], which also looks interesting. Maybe I'll actually sit down and have a proper look one

by gnud 6y ago

Looks interesting. Good job! Another REBOL-inspired language is Red [0], which also looks interesting. Maybe I'll actually sit down and have a proper look one of these days. 0: https://www.red-lang.org/ https://www.red-lang.org/

stchacademy 6y ago
Yes, Red is another fine language. However, to be fair, I would say Red is practically like Rebol v3. Arturo's goal is not to become yet another Rebol, but combine its positive aspects (which are a lot) with other features of modern programming languages, mostly functional programming -oriented. Actually, Arturo's influences range from Rebol to Ruby, Haskell, Tcl and even Forth or Factor or... Swift. In any case, I'm all ears for feedback/ideas/suggestions. Code contributions are more than welcome as well - it's been just a one-guy thing so far, and I can honestly not find time for everything :)
- rebolek 6y ago
  Describing Red as Rebol3 like is not fair IMO, it goes beyond that in many aspects - there is a compiler, C-level dialect (Red/System), reactive framework, ... Anyway, Arturo looks interesting and I'm looking forward to try it!
  - stchacademy 6y ago
    I didn't say that in a despective way at all. My only point is that Red - as far I've seen it at least - tries to maintain a great deal of compatibility with Rebol, while Arturo used it as a starting point. (Arturo can be run as valid Rebol code, only if you stick to the absolute basics) Even using it as an inspiration, it's obvious that I absolutely respect both projects. Again, what I'm trying to do is take the good points and create something completely new. Looking forward to hearing your feedback/ideas/suggestion/anything. I'm all ears! :) (Code contributions are also 100% welcome!)
    - 9214 6y ago
      Compatibility with either Rebol 2 or 3 is not the goal, since Red takes the best parts from both.
garyclarke27 6y ago
I was following Red with keen interest, waiting for them to add Postgres support. Unfortunately this never happened, I think they got sidetracked by over-enthusiasm for crypto tools and thus lost momentum.
- stchacademy 6y ago
  I've watching/studying Red for a long time. And it is a very legitimate effort to be honest. However, when trying to do too much at the same time (and attempting to build a full-stack, do-it-all language would surely qualify for that), you can easily get sidetracked. My attempt here is nothing too bloated. I just needed a super-flexible, easy to use (and tweak) programming language for me (automation, templates, typesetting, "quick" scripts and webview-based app publishing). So, I created it. It's by no means "complete" - yet. Although, after months (to years) of hard work, I think it's ready to get a bit more known. At least, my personal goal has been achieved: Arturo is the language I personally use for my everyday scripting. :)
- 9214 6y ago
  Red got sidetracked by an attempt to build local economy based on an ERC-20 token, to be precise: for tipping contributors, funding FOSS projects and helping maintainers, curating high-quality learning materials within community, etc. That didn't pan out in the near term since no-one shared the enthusiasm. Besides, there are only a few active contributors helping the project, others, unfortunately, prefer to watch from afar and wait, or to pick Red apart feature-by-feature for other languages — and TBH I don't know if this is a historical problem with Rebol family or lack of goal-oriented communication from Red's side which would encourage people to participate (e.g. write a Postgres driver).
  - libx 6y ago
    I had interest in Rebol and Red, but lost it. Lost the interest because of what you mention, but also because building algorithms with it imply a big cognitive load for me. Since then, I'm very happy with TCL, one of the inspirations for Rebol. Its syntax is regular, it's a professional tool, conservative, i.e. doesn't break code at each new release, has great GUI with Tk, and many other advantages.

by gnud 6y ago

stchacademy 6y ago

Yes, Red is another fine language. However, to be fair, I would say Red is practically like Rebol v3. Arturo's goal is not to become yet another Rebol, but combine its positive aspects (which are a lot) with other features of modern programming languages, mostly functional programming -oriented. Actually, Arturo's influences range from Rebol to Ruby, Haskell, Tcl and even Forth or Factor or... Swift. In any case, I'm all ears for feedback/ideas/suggestions. Code contributions are more than welcome as well - it's been just a one-guy thing so far, and I can honestly not find time for everything :)

rebolek 6y ago
Describing Red as Rebol3 like is not fair IMO, it goes beyond that in many aspects - there is a compiler, C-level dialect (Red/System), reactive framework, ... Anyway, Arturo looks interesting and I'm looking forward to try it!
- stchacademy 6y ago
  I didn't say that in a despective way at all. My only point is that Red - as far I've seen it at least - tries to maintain a great deal of compatibility with Rebol, while Arturo used it as a starting point. (Arturo can be run as valid Rebol code, only if you stick to the absolute basics) Even using it as an inspiration, it's obvious that I absolutely respect both projects. Again, what I'm trying to do is take the good points and create something completely new. Looking forward to hearing your feedback/ideas/suggestion/anything. I'm all ears! :) (Code contributions are also 100% welcome!)
  - 9214 6y ago
    Compatibility with either Rebol 2 or 3 is not the goal, since Red takes the best parts from both.

garyclarke27 6y ago

I was following Red with keen interest, waiting for them to add Postgres support. Unfortunately this never happened, I think they got sidetracked by over-enthusiasm for crypto tools and thus lost momentum.

stchacademy 6y ago
I've watching/studying Red for a long time. And it is a very legitimate effort to be honest. However, when trying to do too much at the same time (and attempting to build a full-stack, do-it-all language would surely qualify for that), you can easily get sidetracked. My attempt here is nothing too bloated. I just needed a super-flexible, easy to use (and tweak) programming language for me (automation, templates, typesetting, "quick" scripts and webview-based app publishing). So, I created it. It's by no means "complete" - yet. Although, after months (to years) of hard work, I think it's ready to get a bit more known. At least, my personal goal has been achieved: Arturo is the language I personally use for my everyday scripting. :)
9214 6y ago
Red got sidetracked by an attempt to build local economy based on an ERC-20 token, to be precise: for tipping contributors, funding FOSS projects and helping maintainers, curating high-quality learning materials within community, etc. That didn't pan out in the near term since no-one shared the enthusiasm. Besides, there are only a few active contributors helping the project, others, unfortunately, prefer to watch from afar and wait, or to pick Red apart feature-by-feature for other languages — and TBH I don't know if this is a historical problem with Rebol family or lack of goal-oriented communication from Red's side which would encourage people to participate (e.g. write a Postgres driver).
- libx 6y ago
  I had interest in Rebol and Red, but lost it. Lost the interest because of what you mention, but also because building algorithms with it imply a big cognitive load for me. Since then, I'm very happy with TCL, one of the inspirations for Rebol. Its syntax is regular, it's a professional tool, conservative, i.e. doesn't break code at each new release, has great GUI with Tk, and many other advantages.