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So why would anyone make any indictment public before arrests? Yet we do it all the time internally. And I’ve never heard prosecutors complain that this is maki

So why would anyone make any indictment public before arrests? Yet we do it all the time internally. And I’ve never heard prosecutors complain that this is making it harder to arrest people. There are benefits to it - it opens doors, gets other law enforcement involved, can lead to public awareness to help apprehend, etc. I think you formed an opinion not based on the evidence.

monocasa 6y ago
We do it all the time in situations without geopolitical ramifications because prosecutors trust law enforcement's ability execute arrest warrants. What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? Like what's specifically different about them versus Assange that makes it more likely to bring them to trial by publicly announcing the indictment?
- ChrisLomont 6y ago
  > What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? It lets other countries know we're looking for someone. For example, here [1] is the US indictment from 2015 for Russian national Aleksei Yurievich Burkov. This let other countries know we wanted him. He was arrested later that year in Israel, and held because he was indicted by an ally country. He was extradited to the US in early 2020, tried, and sentenced to a long prison term. Care to explain how public awareness does not get people arrested? Even from Russia? There are plenty of cases like this. I see very few arrests and extraditions followed by public indictments. Do some searching in the DOJ court cases. I'm done here. You form a lot of opinions based on very little data, and seem uninterested in solid statistical evidence before making claims, which is what I care about. Unfounded opinions are not useful to me. [1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14431846/united-states-v-burkov/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14431846/united-states-...
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Aleksei's indictment very clearly says it was filed under seal. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720.1.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720... That's why he went to such a US friendly country like Israel in the first place; he didn't know for sure there was an indictment filed for him. We don't need to unseal indictments in order to coordinate with other countries' law enforcement. We have mechanisms for privately working with them without making public announcements.

monocasa 6y ago

We do it all the time in situations without geopolitical ramifications because prosecutors trust law enforcement's ability execute arrest warrants. What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? Like what's specifically different about them versus Assange that makes it more likely to bring them to trial by publicly announcing the indictment?

ChrisLomont 6y ago
> What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? It lets other countries know we're looking for someone. For example, here [1] is the US indictment from 2015 for Russian national Aleksei Yurievich Burkov. This let other countries know we wanted him. He was arrested later that year in Israel, and held because he was indicted by an ally country. He was extradited to the US in early 2020, tried, and sentenced to a long prison term. Care to explain how public awareness does not get people arrested? Even from Russia? There are plenty of cases like this. I see very few arrests and extraditions followed by public indictments. Do some searching in the DOJ court cases. I'm done here. You form a lot of opinions based on very little data, and seem uninterested in solid statistical evidence before making claims, which is what I care about. Unfounded opinions are not useful to me. [1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14431846/united-states-v-burkov/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14431846/united-states-...
- monocasa 6y ago
  Aleksei's indictment very clearly says it was filed under seal. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720.1.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720... That's why he went to such a US friendly country like Israel in the first place; he didn't know for sure there was an indictment filed for him. We don't need to unseal indictments in order to coordinate with other countries' law enforcement. We have mechanisms for privately working with them without making public announcements.