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Mystery Weapon Attacks Continuing, Even on U.S. Soil

46 points by jfhufl 6y ago

ewrwer324234 6y ago
have you heard of the noise weapon? they used it at a local protest here to try to disperse crowds. do you how the u.n. defended against the "big weapons" of nuclear weapons of iran, they made constant inspections, at least they tried
edogg 6y ago
The attacks in Cuba were found to be illness brought on by new pesticides and aggressive use around embassies to kill mosquitos to prevent diplomatic staff from catching Zika virus.
- libraryatnight 6y ago
  sources?
  - edogg 6y ago
    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/canadian-research-points-to-pesticides-as-possible-cause-of-havana-syndrome https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/canadian-research-... Or google Havana syndrome pesticide
    - libraryatnight 6y ago
      thank you!
coolspot 6y ago
For a CIA operative this guy talks too much. He is probably just trying to get some special pension as a “victim” of mysterious weapon that no one sure exists and body effects of which can’t be detected. > But in the year since he left, he has become increasingly frustrated by the Agency’s reluctance to give him and the other CIA officers affected with the medical care they need. “It’s incumbent on them to provide the medical help we require, which does not include telling us that we’re all making it up,” he told me. “I want the Agency to treat this as a combat injury.”
phobosanomaly 6y ago
Thinking my way through this thing: A. If there's a directed-energy weapon, we would know about it because we probably have one too. B. If we have one and we know they're using it, we have two choices: B.1 We call them out on it, but then we have to admit we have the thing too, and we've tested it on people so we know it does that. B.2 We don't call them out on it directly, and we just encourage affected federal employees to go public and shame our friends in Moscow, Havana, Beijing, country X we have some political problem with. C. If there's not a directed-energy weapon, it's either the pesticide thing or mass hysteria. D. Normal people won't know what the real answer is until it's FOIA declassified in 60 years. E. Working for the CIA in unfriendly countries can come with side-effects.
- libraryatnight 6y ago
  60 years seems like a stretch to ease my curiosity. I better start working out extra and eating more salads.
  - phobosanomaly 6y ago
    I suppose it's still 2020. There could still something that would reveal the truth, like a coup, revolution, second pandemic, financial-crash, war with China, singularity, mass-extinction event, nuclear holocaust, collapse of some ice shelf. There's always the chance something weird could happen and the government could use them on us, thus we would know about it. If there's one thing I have genuine faith in, it's that 2020 is the QVC channel on interdimensional cable, and man maybe we'll find out early.
- mtnGoat 6y ago
  Not sure if I'd rely on the theory that one entity can always discover what another did. ( #1 above)
  - phobosanomaly 6y ago
    In this case, I'm not sure I'd agree with you, and I'll say why and I'm curious if you have another take that I haven't thought of. This has to be a top priority in the intelligence community, I mean like the CIA has had teams of in-house Engineers and Scientists reviewing classified information on available etiologies, plus they've probably pulled reams of SIGINT data to see if they can find any clues. If it's being deployed in the field, the underlying tech has probably been around for a while. It's happened in multiple major cities, so if it is an intelligence op being run by a foreign government, there's a big team running the thing working with different communications channels and crossing multiple national borders, which means there's a high risk of some information leak from the program. Anyone in the U.S. defense industrial complex working on a similar weapon would have let the IC know, because it's great advertising for their weapon and could lead to some very lucrative contracts in both the offensive and defensive space. So, just to pull a number off the top of my head, I'd say there's like an 85% chance someone knows what's going on. So, then that might help us narrow-down which nation the attacks would be originating from. If we know what is doing it, and who is doing it, the President has probably been briefed on it. If China was orchestrating it, Trump probably would have just said something by now. Same for Cuba or Iran. It would play strongly in his favor politically considering the ongoing diplomatic hostilities with those nations. Russia perhaps? Trump probably wouldn't call out Russia based on his response to the bounty thing: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/29/trump-russian-bounties-putin-call-385925 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/29/trump-russian-bount... The attacks started in Havana, and if you've ever seen the Russian embassy in Havana, it's RIGHT out of a 70's Bond movie. Seriously, look it up. The building is awesome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_Russia_in_Havana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_Russia_in_Havana If there's anything going on in Havana, the Russians either know about it, or are involved in it. It's their diplomatic backyard, they've been there since forever, and it's a pretty small city. Idle speculation (just for fun). My money is on: A. Russia has something to do with it. B. President won't publicly call them out on it. C. Intelligence community is frustrated, so they're encouraging affected employees to go public in hopes that someone outside of the security-clearance bubble will figure out what's going on. /Pretending I'm a super-secret squirrel.
aaron695 6y ago
Mass Hysteria. What's more interesting is, like Covid-19 testing people is finding all strange things. I'd like to think it's because our tech is catching up and we are finding the body changes in interesting ways. But I unfortunately I think our diagnostic tools are in part tools of mysticism used to find what we want to find. Like running CCleaner, we all know deep down the problem is going to be much harder but it's easier to just run the tool often than actually finding the real problems. And eventually the person just gets a new computer or the patient dies.
zalkota 6y ago
This article is riddled with a anti trump narrative and lack of evidence. I would take it with a grain of salt.
simonblack 6y ago
The common denominator is people working in the State Department or Intelligence Services. "Never ascribe to Malice what can also be ascribed to Incompetence" IMHO it's a workplace-related injury of some kind. Perhaps due to (say) anti-bugging devices, or devices that aren't found in normal office environments.
- mtnGoat 6y ago
  Ya, but the logic fail is... Why only in these three known locations? If CIA was using this tech in other offices, others would be effected also.

46 points by jfhufl 6y ago

have you heard of the noise weapon? they used it at a local protest here to try to disperse crowds. do you how the u.n. defended against the "big weapons" of nuclear weapons of iran, they made constant inspections, at least they tried

edogg 6y ago

The attacks in Cuba were found to be illness brought on by new pesticides and aggressive use around embassies to kill mosquitos to prevent diplomatic staff from catching Zika virus.

libraryatnight 6y ago
sources?
- edogg 6y ago
  https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/canadian-research-points-to-pesticides-as-possible-cause-of-havana-syndrome https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/canadian-research-... Or google Havana syndrome pesticide
  - libraryatnight 6y ago
    thank you!

coolspot 6y ago

For a CIA operative this guy talks too much. He is probably just trying to get some special pension as a “victim” of mysterious weapon that no one sure exists and body effects of which can’t be detected. > But in the year since he left, he has become increasingly frustrated by the Agency’s reluctance to give him and the other CIA officers affected with the medical care they need. “It’s incumbent on them to provide the medical help we require, which does not include telling us that we’re all making it up,” he told me. “I want the Agency to treat this as a combat injury.”

phobosanomaly 6y ago

Thinking my way through this thing: A. If there's a directed-energy weapon, we would know about it because we probably have one too. B. If we have one and we know they're using it, we have two choices: B.1 We call them out on it, but then we have to admit we have the thing too, and we've tested it on people so we know it does that. B.2 We don't call them out on it directly, and we just encourage affected federal employees to go public and shame our friends in Moscow, Havana, Beijing, country X we have some political problem with. C. If there's not a directed-energy weapon, it's either the pesticide thing or mass hysteria. D. Normal people won't know what the real answer is until it's FOIA declassified in 60 years. E. Working for the CIA in unfriendly countries can come with side-effects.

libraryatnight 6y ago
60 years seems like a stretch to ease my curiosity. I better start working out extra and eating more salads.
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  I suppose it's still 2020. There could still something that would reveal the truth, like a coup, revolution, second pandemic, financial-crash, war with China, singularity, mass-extinction event, nuclear holocaust, collapse of some ice shelf. There's always the chance something weird could happen and the government could use them on us, thus we would know about it. If there's one thing I have genuine faith in, it's that 2020 is the QVC channel on interdimensional cable, and man maybe we'll find out early.
mtnGoat 6y ago
Not sure if I'd rely on the theory that one entity can always discover what another did. ( #1 above)
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  In this case, I'm not sure I'd agree with you, and I'll say why and I'm curious if you have another take that I haven't thought of. This has to be a top priority in the intelligence community, I mean like the CIA has had teams of in-house Engineers and Scientists reviewing classified information on available etiologies, plus they've probably pulled reams of SIGINT data to see if they can find any clues. If it's being deployed in the field, the underlying tech has probably been around for a while. It's happened in multiple major cities, so if it is an intelligence op being run by a foreign government, there's a big team running the thing working with different communications channels and crossing multiple national borders, which means there's a high risk of some information leak from the program. Anyone in the U.S. defense industrial complex working on a similar weapon would have let the IC know, because it's great advertising for their weapon and could lead to some very lucrative contracts in both the offensive and defensive space. So, just to pull a number off the top of my head, I'd say there's like an 85% chance someone knows what's going on. So, then that might help us narrow-down which nation the attacks would be originating from. If we know what is doing it, and who is doing it, the President has probably been briefed on it. If China was orchestrating it, Trump probably would have just said something by now. Same for Cuba or Iran. It would play strongly in his favor politically considering the ongoing diplomatic hostilities with those nations. Russia perhaps? Trump probably wouldn't call out Russia based on his response to the bounty thing: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/29/trump-russian-bounties-putin-call-385925 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/29/trump-russian-bount... The attacks started in Havana, and if you've ever seen the Russian embassy in Havana, it's RIGHT out of a 70's Bond movie. Seriously, look it up. The building is awesome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_Russia_in_Havana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_Russia_in_Havana If there's anything going on in Havana, the Russians either know about it, or are involved in it. It's their diplomatic backyard, they've been there since forever, and it's a pretty small city. Idle speculation (just for fun). My money is on: A. Russia has something to do with it. B. President won't publicly call them out on it. C. Intelligence community is frustrated, so they're encouraging affected employees to go public in hopes that someone outside of the security-clearance bubble will figure out what's going on. /Pretending I'm a super-secret squirrel.

aaron695 6y ago

Mass Hysteria. What's more interesting is, like Covid-19 testing people is finding all strange things. I'd like to think it's because our tech is catching up and we are finding the body changes in interesting ways. But I unfortunately I think our diagnostic tools are in part tools of mysticism used to find what we want to find. Like running CCleaner, we all know deep down the problem is going to be much harder but it's easier to just run the tool often than actually finding the real problems. And eventually the person just gets a new computer or the patient dies.

zalkota 6y ago

This article is riddled with a anti trump narrative and lack of evidence. I would take it with a grain of salt.

simonblack 6y ago

The common denominator is people working in the State Department or Intelligence Services. "Never ascribe to Malice what can also be ascribed to Incompetence" IMHO it's a workplace-related injury of some kind. Perhaps due to (say) anti-bugging devices, or devices that aren't found in normal office environments.

mtnGoat 6y ago
Ya, but the logic fail is... Why only in these three known locations? If CIA was using this tech in other offices, others would be effected also.