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Everyone knows American workers are way worse than chinese blue collar workers. This is a well known fact among factory owners in China. Foxconn is not stupid,

Everyone knows American workers are way worse than chinese blue collar workers. This is a well known fact among factory owners in China. Foxconn is not stupid, they've done such a thing before when migrating manufacturing to China. If American workers were good they'd take this project seriously too. They aren't, and the screw ups are just a result of certain executives not taking the project seriously and not providing enough resources to lower management. This project was done for optics. It has an ulterior motive because it's not logical to hire workers in America when you can get better workers in China.

pimlottc 6y ago
Nothing in this article indicated that the problem was the quality of the American workers. They were given no business plans, no money, no authority to make final decisions. It doesn't matter who you hire at that point, that's a recipe for failure.
- nendroid 6y ago
  And I'm claiming the article hit the wrong point. It's not covering the fact that Foxconn has no intention of running an actual operation in America. Partly because it's a 1000x better deal to just open another factory in China. This whole thing is obviously done with an ulterior motive. Either the topic is deliberately being avoided or the writer doesn't know.
komali2 6y ago
Can you define the meaning of "worse" here and then back up your claim with evidence?
- nendroid 6y ago
  https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 Just watch it. I'm an american born chinese. I'm basically a lazy bastard like every other american. If you go to china you'll see these people are industrious af. They will work their ass off no question under slave labor until they kill themselves. You've heard of the nets to prevent suicide in Foxconn right? The movie spins the whole situation as a cultural problem. This is partly true. The other part that is 100% true is that Chinese people work 400% harder and faster than you or I. I know from anecdotal experience both from going to China, working in a chinese store with other chinese people under my mom as a kid (and getting fired by my own mom for not being as efficient as the other chinese people) and watching this movie. It's real.
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  - komali2 6y ago
    I'm not sure how my single, limited point of view is relevant when discussing the work culture and productivity of an entire nation. I say that as someone who has worked extensively in china, Taiwan, japan, and the usa. So for the same reason I don't see why your anecdotal evidence is relevant. I saw that movie. I saw a lot of chinese foreman types expressing their own bigotry towards american workers. I saw a lot of american foreman expressing their bigotry towards union workers, blue collar workers, and imo black workers. I didn't see any actual meaningful evidence to back up the claim that all chinese workers are harder working than american ones. That would be an extremely difficult claim to make evidence for, of course, like all prejudiced positions that paint with a brush as large as a race, culture, or country. By the way, I can't know why foxconn employees (in china, not in Taiwan) died by suicide individually, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the massive poverty divide in china, as well as the lack of social services. I imagine they worked in such awful conditions for such long hours because they wouldn't have shelter or food otherwise, which as we know take precedence over all other needs.
    - nendroid 6y ago
      This is why some people need to open your eyes to reality. Not all stereotypes are untrue. When someone says chinese people have slanty eyes it's a stereotype but an aspect of it is true. Many many chinese people do have slanty eyes. When most of china says American blue collar workers aren't hard working, when china manufacturing out performs the US, when every chinese person I know won't hire an American worker... Trust me... Is it racism? Yes but a large aspect of it is true. People like you don't like to believe certain things so you're unable to use anecdotal evidence to verify anything. You hide behind science and demand quantifiable research. As a chinese person I don't need science to verify the racist statement that more chinese people have slanty eyes than white people, because I don't hide from reality. It's a truth that is real. Many things are obvious without science. The problem with other people like you is you hide behind racism as well. The reality of this world is that not all people are equal and all races have certain idiosyncrasies in behavior and physicality originating from either genetics or culture that fit a general truth. When someone says something racist or stereotypical that asians are generally shorter than white people or asians have slantier eyes or asians do better in school or asians are harder working... If you analyze these statements and are unbiased you would know that these statements illustrate a truth about reality that you are denying yourself of because of self inflicted blindness. I'm assuming you're white and I can tell you as much as I don't like to hear a white person say things about slanty eyed chinese people I have to objectively admit it's true EVEN without scientific evidence because I can make judgements about the world without it. So when I say that my people think americans workers are lazy, slow and unskilled workers you tell me how much of it is true and how much of it is made up for no reason. Maybe you don't like to hear that my race and many chinese people think americans are lazy. Maybe you don't like to think that an aspect of this is true. Whatever. At least maybe you'll understand one thing: Foxconn does not give a flying shit about building a factory in the US. They don't care and they have no intention of doing so because if they did they could make it happen but they don't. This is a company that built millions of iphones... they wouldn't have the comical screw ups you see in the article if they gave a shit. Hopefully your mind can digest this fact without scientific evidence. As for your own anecdotal experience in Asia I can only say that if you're white then your experience is colored. Asians will treat you extremely differently, and likely you won't hear an asian call you a lazy factory worker. They won't even hire you for such a role, most likely you'll be hired to be in some bs management role or teaching English if you're a white guy in china. Your experience will be largely shielded. The stuff you heard chinese people saying unfiltered in the conference room is something you won't hear just the same as how I don't hear all the shit white people say about asians. I have to live in the US for at least a decade before I sniff out aspects of the crap that's talked about among white people in private. But consider this, there is a huge anti racism movement in america that goes to the point of absurdity. I can't say anything about a race even if it's true because it will be construed as racism. So even in many white circles the individuals either keep their traps shut if they have racist thoughts or they buy into the whole movement. Which one are you? Oh and it's legal to talk shit about your own race in this movement. I can say asians have slanty eyes because I'm asian but if a non asian says it than he or she is a racist. Pretty logical rule.
fiblye 6y ago
Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. Blaming this on lazy Americans when they were literally begging for something to do is strange. The article is gathering plenty of facts and interviewing plenty of people. If you've got insider information with some good sources, by all means, provide it.
- nendroid 6y ago
  I'm not blaming it on lazy americans. Huge difference. I blame the chinese directly. They never had the intention of hiring American workers. They know American workers are capable but inferior and they screwed them over on purpose. >Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. And I'm saying there's a reason for this. It's not an accident. It's because they don't give a shit about American workers. They think American workers are inferior. They don't want to put any real money into the project they bought it up for some ulterior motive. Not only American factory workers. But many places in the world. It's hard to beat the industriousness of Chinese workers. I'm not gonna lie, I don't have hard evidence. I'm just guessing the situation but it's also somewhat obvious. You seriously think if China (taiwan technically) was serious about investing in blue collar workers in America they would let it just slide like this? We're talking about the fastest growing economy humanity has ever seen that has transformed from a backwards 3rd world country to a super power within your lifetime. They will eat up and devour any opportunity or deal in front of them. Why would the Chinese miss out on the American Factory Worker???? Probably because they don't give a shit. The following isn't evidence but if you read my post and watch the linked video... it is an actual short snippet of a real life example of a serious chinese investor who tried employing American factory workers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 American factory workers can't hold a candle to chinese industriousness. You think those Asian dad memes don't have an actual origin? https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ Those memes aren't that far from the truth. watch the movie if you're interested.

pimlottc 6y ago

Nothing in this article indicated that the problem was the quality of the American workers. They were given no business plans, no money, no authority to make final decisions. It doesn't matter who you hire at that point, that's a recipe for failure.

nendroid 6y ago
And I'm claiming the article hit the wrong point. It's not covering the fact that Foxconn has no intention of running an actual operation in America. Partly because it's a 1000x better deal to just open another factory in China. This whole thing is obviously done with an ulterior motive. Either the topic is deliberately being avoided or the writer doesn't know.

komali2 6y ago

Can you define the meaning of "worse" here and then back up your claim with evidence?

nendroid 6y ago
https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 Just watch it. I'm an american born chinese. I'm basically a lazy bastard like every other american. If you go to china you'll see these people are industrious af. They will work their ass off no question under slave labor until they kill themselves. You've heard of the nets to prevent suicide in Foxconn right? The movie spins the whole situation as a cultural problem. This is partly true. The other part that is 100% true is that Chinese people work 400% harder and faster than you or I. I know from anecdotal experience both from going to China, working in a chinese store with other chinese people under my mom as a kid (and getting fired by my own mom for not being as efficient as the other chinese people) and watching this movie. It's real.
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- komali2 6y ago
  I'm not sure how my single, limited point of view is relevant when discussing the work culture and productivity of an entire nation. I say that as someone who has worked extensively in china, Taiwan, japan, and the usa. So for the same reason I don't see why your anecdotal evidence is relevant. I saw that movie. I saw a lot of chinese foreman types expressing their own bigotry towards american workers. I saw a lot of american foreman expressing their bigotry towards union workers, blue collar workers, and imo black workers. I didn't see any actual meaningful evidence to back up the claim that all chinese workers are harder working than american ones. That would be an extremely difficult claim to make evidence for, of course, like all prejudiced positions that paint with a brush as large as a race, culture, or country. By the way, I can't know why foxconn employees (in china, not in Taiwan) died by suicide individually, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the massive poverty divide in china, as well as the lack of social services. I imagine they worked in such awful conditions for such long hours because they wouldn't have shelter or food otherwise, which as we know take precedence over all other needs.
  - nendroid 6y ago
    This is why some people need to open your eyes to reality. Not all stereotypes are untrue. When someone says chinese people have slanty eyes it's a stereotype but an aspect of it is true. Many many chinese people do have slanty eyes. When most of china says American blue collar workers aren't hard working, when china manufacturing out performs the US, when every chinese person I know won't hire an American worker... Trust me... Is it racism? Yes but a large aspect of it is true. People like you don't like to believe certain things so you're unable to use anecdotal evidence to verify anything. You hide behind science and demand quantifiable research. As a chinese person I don't need science to verify the racist statement that more chinese people have slanty eyes than white people, because I don't hide from reality. It's a truth that is real. Many things are obvious without science. The problem with other people like you is you hide behind racism as well. The reality of this world is that not all people are equal and all races have certain idiosyncrasies in behavior and physicality originating from either genetics or culture that fit a general truth. When someone says something racist or stereotypical that asians are generally shorter than white people or asians have slantier eyes or asians do better in school or asians are harder working... If you analyze these statements and are unbiased you would know that these statements illustrate a truth about reality that you are denying yourself of because of self inflicted blindness. I'm assuming you're white and I can tell you as much as I don't like to hear a white person say things about slanty eyed chinese people I have to objectively admit it's true EVEN without scientific evidence because I can make judgements about the world without it. So when I say that my people think americans workers are lazy, slow and unskilled workers you tell me how much of it is true and how much of it is made up for no reason. Maybe you don't like to hear that my race and many chinese people think americans are lazy. Maybe you don't like to think that an aspect of this is true. Whatever. At least maybe you'll understand one thing: Foxconn does not give a flying shit about building a factory in the US. They don't care and they have no intention of doing so because if they did they could make it happen but they don't. This is a company that built millions of iphones... they wouldn't have the comical screw ups you see in the article if they gave a shit. Hopefully your mind can digest this fact without scientific evidence. As for your own anecdotal experience in Asia I can only say that if you're white then your experience is colored. Asians will treat you extremely differently, and likely you won't hear an asian call you a lazy factory worker. They won't even hire you for such a role, most likely you'll be hired to be in some bs management role or teaching English if you're a white guy in china. Your experience will be largely shielded. The stuff you heard chinese people saying unfiltered in the conference room is something you won't hear just the same as how I don't hear all the shit white people say about asians. I have to live in the US for at least a decade before I sniff out aspects of the crap that's talked about among white people in private. But consider this, there is a huge anti racism movement in america that goes to the point of absurdity. I can't say anything about a race even if it's true because it will be construed as racism. So even in many white circles the individuals either keep their traps shut if they have racist thoughts or they buy into the whole movement. Which one are you? Oh and it's legal to talk shit about your own race in this movement. I can say asians have slanty eyes because I'm asian but if a non asian says it than he or she is a racist. Pretty logical rule.

fiblye 6y ago

Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. Blaming this on lazy Americans when they were literally begging for something to do is strange. The article is gathering plenty of facts and interviewing plenty of people. If you've got insider information with some good sources, by all means, provide it.

nendroid 6y ago
I'm not blaming it on lazy americans. Huge difference. I blame the chinese directly. They never had the intention of hiring American workers. They know American workers are capable but inferior and they screwed them over on purpose. >Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. And I'm saying there's a reason for this. It's not an accident. It's because they don't give a shit about American workers. They think American workers are inferior. They don't want to put any real money into the project they bought it up for some ulterior motive. Not only American factory workers. But many places in the world. It's hard to beat the industriousness of Chinese workers. I'm not gonna lie, I don't have hard evidence. I'm just guessing the situation but it's also somewhat obvious. You seriously think if China (taiwan technically) was serious about investing in blue collar workers in America they would let it just slide like this? We're talking about the fastest growing economy humanity has ever seen that has transformed from a backwards 3rd world country to a super power within your lifetime. They will eat up and devour any opportunity or deal in front of them. Why would the Chinese miss out on the American Factory Worker???? Probably because they don't give a shit. The following isn't evidence but if you read my post and watch the linked video... it is an actual short snippet of a real life example of a serious chinese investor who tried employing American factory workers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 American factory workers can't hold a candle to chinese industriousness. You think those Asian dad memes don't have an actual origin? https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ Those memes aren't that far from the truth. watch the movie if you're interested.