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Well you can't ignore the reality of the situation. It's one thing for american blue collar workers to get paid more. It's another thing for blue collar americ

Well you can't ignore the reality of the situation. It's one thing for american blue collar workers to get paid more. It's another thing for blue collar american workers to get paid more and be 10x slower and worse at getting things done.

orange_joe 6y ago
lol, did you even read the article? the situation had absolutely nothing to do with the pay of American workers and everything to do with the fact that Foxconn management went into this situation without a plan, and the situation was exacerbated by their almost feudalistic management structure.
- nendroid 6y ago
  Everyone knows American workers are way worse than chinese blue collar workers. This is a well known fact among factory owners in China. Foxconn is not stupid, they've done such a thing before when migrating manufacturing to China. If American workers were good they'd take this project seriously too. They aren't, and the screw ups are just a result of certain executives not taking the project seriously and not providing enough resources to lower management. This project was done for optics. It has an ulterior motive because it's not logical to hire workers in America when you can get better workers in China.
  - pimlottc 6y ago
    Nothing in this article indicated that the problem was the quality of the American workers. They were given no business plans, no money, no authority to make final decisions. It doesn't matter who you hire at that point, that's a recipe for failure.
    - nendroid 6y ago
      And I'm claiming the article hit the wrong point. It's not covering the fact that Foxconn has no intention of running an actual operation in America. Partly because it's a 1000x better deal to just open another factory in China. This whole thing is obviously done with an ulterior motive. Either the topic is deliberately being avoided or the writer doesn't know.
  - komali2 6y ago
    Can you define the meaning of "worse" here and then back up your claim with evidence?
    - nendroid 6y ago
      https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 Just watch it. I'm an american born chinese. I'm basically a lazy bastard like every other american. If you go to china you'll see these people are industrious af. They will work their ass off no question under slave labor until they kill themselves. You've heard of the nets to prevent suicide in Foxconn right? The movie spins the whole situation as a cultural problem. This is partly true. The other part that is 100% true is that Chinese people work 400% harder and faster than you or I. I know from anecdotal experience both from going to China, working in a chinese store with other chinese people under my mom as a kid (and getting fired by my own mom for not being as efficient as the other chinese people) and watching this movie. It's real.
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      - komali2 6y ago
        I'm not sure how my single, limited point of view is relevant when discussing the work culture and productivity of an entire nation. I say that as someone who has worked extensively in china, Taiwan, japan, and the usa. So for the same reason I don't see why your anecdotal evidence is relevant. I saw that movie. I saw a lot of chinese foreman types expressing their own bigotry towards american workers. I saw a lot of american foreman expressing their bigotry towards union workers, blue collar workers, and imo black workers. I didn't see any actual meaningful evidence to back up the claim that all chinese workers are harder working than american ones. That would be an extremely difficult claim to make evidence for, of course, like all prejudiced positions that paint with a brush as large as a race, culture, or country. By the way, I can't know why foxconn employees (in china, not in Taiwan) died by suicide individually, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the massive poverty divide in china, as well as the lack of social services. I imagine they worked in such awful conditions for such long hours because they wouldn't have shelter or food otherwise, which as we know take precedence over all other needs.
  - fiblye 6y ago
    Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. Blaming this on lazy Americans when they were literally begging for something to do is strange. The article is gathering plenty of facts and interviewing plenty of people. If you've got insider information with some good sources, by all means, provide it.
    - nendroid 6y ago
      I'm not blaming it on lazy americans. Huge difference. I blame the chinese directly. They never had the intention of hiring American workers. They know American workers are capable but inferior and they screwed them over on purpose. >Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. And I'm saying there's a reason for this. It's not an accident. It's because they don't give a shit about American workers. They think American workers are inferior. They don't want to put any real money into the project they bought it up for some ulterior motive. Not only American factory workers. But many places in the world. It's hard to beat the industriousness of Chinese workers. I'm not gonna lie, I don't have hard evidence. I'm just guessing the situation but it's also somewhat obvious. You seriously think if China (taiwan technically) was serious about investing in blue collar workers in America they would let it just slide like this? We're talking about the fastest growing economy humanity has ever seen that has transformed from a backwards 3rd world country to a super power within your lifetime. They will eat up and devour any opportunity or deal in front of them. Why would the Chinese miss out on the American Factory Worker???? Probably because they don't give a shit. The following isn't evidence but if you read my post and watch the linked video... it is an actual short snippet of a real life example of a serious chinese investor who tried employing American factory workers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 American factory workers can't hold a candle to chinese industriousness. You think those Asian dad memes don't have an actual origin? https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ Those memes aren't that far from the truth. watch the movie if you're interested.

orange_joe 6y ago

lol, did you even read the article? the situation had absolutely nothing to do with the pay of American workers and everything to do with the fact that Foxconn management went into this situation without a plan, and the situation was exacerbated by their almost feudalistic management structure.

nendroid 6y ago
Everyone knows American workers are way worse than chinese blue collar workers. This is a well known fact among factory owners in China. Foxconn is not stupid, they've done such a thing before when migrating manufacturing to China. If American workers were good they'd take this project seriously too. They aren't, and the screw ups are just a result of certain executives not taking the project seriously and not providing enough resources to lower management. This project was done for optics. It has an ulterior motive because it's not logical to hire workers in America when you can get better workers in China.
- pimlottc 6y ago
  Nothing in this article indicated that the problem was the quality of the American workers. They were given no business plans, no money, no authority to make final decisions. It doesn't matter who you hire at that point, that's a recipe for failure.
  - nendroid 6y ago
    And I'm claiming the article hit the wrong point. It's not covering the fact that Foxconn has no intention of running an actual operation in America. Partly because it's a 1000x better deal to just open another factory in China. This whole thing is obviously done with an ulterior motive. Either the topic is deliberately being avoided or the writer doesn't know.
- komali2 6y ago
  Can you define the meaning of "worse" here and then back up your claim with evidence?
  - nendroid 6y ago
    https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 https://youtu.be/9KRe08n0d3o?t=7 Just watch it. I'm an american born chinese. I'm basically a lazy bastard like every other american. If you go to china you'll see these people are industrious af. They will work their ass off no question under slave labor until they kill themselves. You've heard of the nets to prevent suicide in Foxconn right? The movie spins the whole situation as a cultural problem. This is partly true. The other part that is 100% true is that Chinese people work 400% harder and faster than you or I. I know from anecdotal experience both from going to China, working in a chinese store with other chinese people under my mom as a kid (and getting fired by my own mom for not being as efficient as the other chinese people) and watching this movie. It's real.
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    - komali2 6y ago
      I'm not sure how my single, limited point of view is relevant when discussing the work culture and productivity of an entire nation. I say that as someone who has worked extensively in china, Taiwan, japan, and the usa. So for the same reason I don't see why your anecdotal evidence is relevant. I saw that movie. I saw a lot of chinese foreman types expressing their own bigotry towards american workers. I saw a lot of american foreman expressing their bigotry towards union workers, blue collar workers, and imo black workers. I didn't see any actual meaningful evidence to back up the claim that all chinese workers are harder working than american ones. That would be an extremely difficult claim to make evidence for, of course, like all prejudiced positions that paint with a brush as large as a race, culture, or country. By the way, I can't know why foxconn employees (in china, not in Taiwan) died by suicide individually, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the massive poverty divide in china, as well as the lack of social services. I imagine they worked in such awful conditions for such long hours because they wouldn't have shelter or food otherwise, which as we know take precedence over all other needs.
- fiblye 6y ago
  Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. Blaming this on lazy Americans when they were literally begging for something to do is strange. The article is gathering plenty of facts and interviewing plenty of people. If you've got insider information with some good sources, by all means, provide it.
  - nendroid 6y ago
    I'm not blaming it on lazy americans. Huge difference. I blame the chinese directly. They never had the intention of hiring American workers. They know American workers are capable but inferior and they screwed them over on purpose. >Every single thing in this lengthy article comes together to make one clear point: they had no plan at any step of the way and just tried to BS it all, and they've done it several times around the world. And I'm saying there's a reason for this. It's not an accident. It's because they don't give a shit about American workers. They think American workers are inferior. They don't want to put any real money into the project they bought it up for some ulterior motive. Not only American factory workers. But many places in the world. It's hard to beat the industriousness of Chinese workers. I'm not gonna lie, I don't have hard evidence. I'm just guessing the situation but it's also somewhat obvious. You seriously think if China (taiwan technically) was serious about investing in blue collar workers in America they would let it just slide like this? We're talking about the fastest growing economy humanity has ever seen that has transformed from a backwards 3rd world country to a super power within your lifetime. They will eat up and devour any opportunity or deal in front of them. Why would the Chinese miss out on the American Factory Worker???? Probably because they don't give a shit. The following isn't evidence but if you read my post and watch the linked video... it is an actual short snippet of a real life example of a serious chinese investor who tried employing American factory workers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24834199 American factory workers can't hold a candle to chinese industriousness. You think those Asian dad memes don't have an actual origin? https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ https://www.pinterest.com/lindaschloss/asian-father-memes/ Those memes aren't that far from the truth. watch the movie if you're interested.