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Prefacing this with the disclaimer that I work for Uber. This talking point completely ignores the fact that California Props are, BY DEFAULT, not amendable by

by jjxw 6y ago

Prefacing this with the disclaimer that I work for Uber. This talking point completely ignores the fact that California Props are, BY DEFAULT, not amendable by the legislature unless otherwise specified. If anything this 7/8ths clause gives the legislature more flexibility than the vast majority of propositions which the legislature cannot touch without putting another prop up for vote.

slg 6y ago
Which is how we get into the pattern of having the same issues on the ballot every election and constantly amending them with direct voting. Many propositions wishing to avoid this issue require some small super majority in the legislature. That is the standard practice for giving "the legislature more flexibility". Requiring 87.5% is new and it is so high to be completely impractical avenue for change. Claiming it is about flexibility is the type of dishonesty we need to remove from politics.
- EdJiang 6y ago
  https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/save-local-journalism-act-bill-passes-assembly-heads-to-governor/ https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/save-local-journalism-... https://www.courthousenews.com/governor-newsom-signs-newspaper-relief-bill-but-rejects-expanded-press-access-measure/ https://www.courthousenews.com/governor-newsom-signs-newspap... The CA legislature just passed AB323, which exempts journalists from AB5, with a 71-4 margin (94.7%) in the Assembly and unanimously in the Senate. So 87.5% is certainly doable! Funnily enough, the website advocating for journalists to be exempt says the following. Sound familiar? ========== * If forced to comply with AB 5, many community newspapers, including local, ethnic, urban, suburban and metro papers, will be unable to sustain operations. They will close their doors, leaving many communities with no local news source. * For those that continue to exist, news operations will be forced to make deep cuts to both print and digital community coverage and offerings in order to survive. [IF NEWSPAPERS ARE NOT EXEMPTED FROM AB 5, READERS WILL LOSE.] * Limited home delivery. * Fewer local news reporters and less hometown coverage. * Loss of sports, comics, games and investigative reporting. * Days of week eliminated from print. More at: https://savemypaper.com https://savemypaper.com
  - slg 6y ago
    >The CA legislature just passed AB323, which exempts journalists from AB5, with a 71-4 margin (94.7%) in the Assembly The link you provided says 67-4. The Assembly has 80 seats so 67/80 is 83.75% and therefore wouldn't be enough to amend Prop 22. One big difference between that change to AB5 and this one is that almost zero journalists actually wanted AB5 to apply to them. Journalism is profession that is much closer to true freelance work than rideshare workers who flip back and forth between a couple employers.
    - EdJiang 6y ago
      I do see the first link says 67-4, but the second link uses 71-4, which is the correct vote count. You can see on the ca.gov website: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB323 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtm... If you agree that the workers should decide, the majority of drivers also don't want AB5 to apply to them. https://therideshareguy.com/california-proposition-22-2020/ https://therideshareguy.com/california-proposition-22-2020/ In this blog's survey ~70% of drivers want to be independent contractors, and ~60% are a Yes on 22. In case you think it's biased, the writers ultimate argued for the No vote.
      - slg 6y ago
        >I do see the first link says 67-4, but the second link uses 71-4, which is the correct vote count. You can see on the ca.gov website: Fair enough. >In this blog's survey ~70% of drivers want to be independent contractors, and ~60% are a Yes on 22. In case you think it's biased, the writers ultimate argued for the No vote. My point was not necessarily that the workers should always decide. It was that there is a huge difference between roughly 0% who support it for journalists and a roughly 30%-40% who support it for rideshare workers. Also that 60% who support Prop 22 is wildly influenced by the money spent by these companies and the underhanded practices that were the topic of this post. If these workers were given an unbiased account of Prop 22 and the ramifications, I think the numbers would be different. If this was truly a popular proposal, why would this become the most expensive campaign in history with roughly 95% of the money coming in support of Prop 22?

by jjxw 6y ago

slg 6y ago

Which is how we get into the pattern of having the same issues on the ballot every election and constantly amending them with direct voting. Many propositions wishing to avoid this issue require some small super majority in the legislature. That is the standard practice for giving "the legislature more flexibility". Requiring 87.5% is new and it is so high to be completely impractical avenue for change. Claiming it is about flexibility is the type of dishonesty we need to remove from politics.

EdJiang 6y ago
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/save-local-journalism-act-bill-passes-assembly-heads-to-governor/ https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/save-local-journalism-... https://www.courthousenews.com/governor-newsom-signs-newspaper-relief-bill-but-rejects-expanded-press-access-measure/ https://www.courthousenews.com/governor-newsom-signs-newspap... The CA legislature just passed AB323, which exempts journalists from AB5, with a 71-4 margin (94.7%) in the Assembly and unanimously in the Senate. So 87.5% is certainly doable! Funnily enough, the website advocating for journalists to be exempt says the following. Sound familiar? ========== * If forced to comply with AB 5, many community newspapers, including local, ethnic, urban, suburban and metro papers, will be unable to sustain operations. They will close their doors, leaving many communities with no local news source. * For those that continue to exist, news operations will be forced to make deep cuts to both print and digital community coverage and offerings in order to survive. [IF NEWSPAPERS ARE NOT EXEMPTED FROM AB 5, READERS WILL LOSE.] * Limited home delivery. * Fewer local news reporters and less hometown coverage. * Loss of sports, comics, games and investigative reporting. * Days of week eliminated from print. More at: https://savemypaper.com https://savemypaper.com
- slg 6y ago
  >The CA legislature just passed AB323, which exempts journalists from AB5, with a 71-4 margin (94.7%) in the Assembly The link you provided says 67-4. The Assembly has 80 seats so 67/80 is 83.75% and therefore wouldn't be enough to amend Prop 22. One big difference between that change to AB5 and this one is that almost zero journalists actually wanted AB5 to apply to them. Journalism is profession that is much closer to true freelance work than rideshare workers who flip back and forth between a couple employers.
  - EdJiang 6y ago
    I do see the first link says 67-4, but the second link uses 71-4, which is the correct vote count. You can see on the ca.gov website: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB323 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtm... If you agree that the workers should decide, the majority of drivers also don't want AB5 to apply to them. https://therideshareguy.com/california-proposition-22-2020/ https://therideshareguy.com/california-proposition-22-2020/ In this blog's survey ~70% of drivers want to be independent contractors, and ~60% are a Yes on 22. In case you think it's biased, the writers ultimate argued for the No vote.
    - slg 6y ago
      >I do see the first link says 67-4, but the second link uses 71-4, which is the correct vote count. You can see on the ca.gov website: Fair enough. >In this blog's survey ~70% of drivers want to be independent contractors, and ~60% are a Yes on 22. In case you think it's biased, the writers ultimate argued for the No vote. My point was not necessarily that the workers should always decide. It was that there is a huge difference between roughly 0% who support it for journalists and a roughly 30%-40% who support it for rideshare workers. Also that 60% who support Prop 22 is wildly influenced by the money spent by these companies and the underhanded practices that were the topic of this post. If these workers were given an unbiased account of Prop 22 and the ramifications, I think the numbers would be different. If this was truly a popular proposal, why would this become the most expensive campaign in history with roughly 95% of the money coming in support of Prop 22?