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This is why (as a customer) I always prefer "yet another web account" vs. "sign-in with ____" - yes, it's a hassle to manage a different account for every diffe

This is why (as a customer) I always prefer "yet another web account" vs. "sign-in with ____" - yes, it's a hassle to manage a different account for every different thing I use (although not much of one with a decent password manager), but I get the advantage of not risking losing access to _everything_ because <list of all the things that might go wrong with a sign-on provider>. Single-sign-on means single point of failure.

derefr 6y ago
Is that still true when those accounts are literally just backend-side caches of your shipping+billing address and credit card details? I had to create an "account" to order a pizza. That account does nothing other than to make ordering pizzas slightly faster. I would be literally not inconvenienced at all if I had to input all that information for each order (because AutoFill.) I would also be literally not inconvenienced in the slightest if I lost access to that account and had to create another one. To me, that's the type of "account" for which "Sign In With Apple" is a perfect solution. The type of account where it's only the provider insisting on having an account in the first place, and you would be get on just fine without one if they'd let you. (Or, for an even more annoying example: web forums that you have to "create an account" for to read certain posts, or download attachments on those posts. Thanks for making me take five minutes to verify my email just so I can click a link on a page!)
ogre_codes 6y ago
I suppose it depends entirely on what the account is securing. My bank? Needs to be pretty independent of everything else. Some random web store or something like Kickstarter? The only reason I care about those accounts is to track orders or for the convenience of not having to re-enter credit card info. The risk of losing my Apple account because ??? and dealing with recreating those accounts is negligible. In many cases I just use guest login for exactly that reason. The convenience accounts are the ones I might use Sign in with Apple for. The bank? Not so much. But I won't trust Google or Facebook with even the convenience accounts. I would also use something like this Touch ID on the web feature for 2FA, particularly if the only other options are SMS or email.

derefr 6y ago

Is that still true when those accounts are literally just backend-side caches of your shipping+billing address and credit card details? I had to create an "account" to order a pizza. That account does nothing other than to make ordering pizzas slightly faster. I would be literally not inconvenienced at all if I had to input all that information for each order (because AutoFill.) I would also be literally not inconvenienced in the slightest if I lost access to that account and had to create another one. To me, that's the type of "account" for which "Sign In With Apple" is a perfect solution. The type of account where it's only the provider insisting on having an account in the first place, and you would be get on just fine without one if they'd let you. (Or, for an even more annoying example: web forums that you have to "create an account" for to read certain posts, or download attachments on those posts. Thanks for making me take five minutes to verify my email just so I can click a link on a page!)

ogre_codes 6y ago

I suppose it depends entirely on what the account is securing. My bank? Needs to be pretty independent of everything else. Some random web store or something like Kickstarter? The only reason I care about those accounts is to track orders or for the convenience of not having to re-enter credit card info. The risk of losing my Apple account because ??? and dealing with recreating those accounts is negligible. In many cases I just use guest login for exactly that reason. The convenience accounts are the ones I might use Sign in with Apple for. The bank? Not so much. But I won't trust Google or Facebook with even the convenience accounts. I would also use something like this Touch ID on the web feature for 2FA, particularly if the only other options are SMS or email.