That's fair, there is a distinction between the actual process of using voice chat versus the specifications of the voice chat. It seems that I took OP as refer

That's fair, there is a distinction between the actual process of using voice chat versus the specifications of the voice chat. It seems that I took OP as referring to the former, while you're referring to the latter. > Source? Anyone I know who games on a PC is almost always hyper aware of what crap is running on their system. None but anecdotal, much like this. > I'm simply arguing what the point is that I quoted, that it is obnoxiously heavy (250mb minimum ram, sometimes 450Mb+,) uptime is questionable, buggy application, and does care about user privacy. Right, you're arguing that it sucks because of those points are I argued back that the ease-of-us, UI, and "good-enough" quality are why Discord doesn't suck (or sucks less if you prefer) then the alternatives. > They force you to use a non-voip phone number for account creation now in some cases. Or joining some servers. I've never heard of that and find it strange considering you don't even have to set a password for user accounts as someone mentioned elsewhere in the comments. Sounds like a per-server setting