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Sorry, that's BS. In some sports and some top ranks, maybe there is a lot of money behind. But that's a very narrow view of "elite athlete". I personally know s

Sorry, that's BS. In some sports and some top ranks, maybe there is a lot of money behind. But that's a very narrow view of "elite athlete". I personally know some Olympic finalists in some sports, and they certainly don't see big money. They struggle to actually train full-time over an Olympic cycle (4 years) without having to have some part-time job that puts food on the table and pays for gear, trips to training camps and competitions.

nix23 6y ago
>I personally know some Olympic finalists in some sports, and they certainly don't see big money MONEY BEHIND...that's something else. And the Athletes don't pay for the Stuff, AND it's not in every sport and not every sport profits from doping.
- wildmanx 6y ago
  I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS. So, you agree with me then? My friend was in the finals in Beijing and in London, top-6. In London half a second from a medal. Yes doping would help immensely but those guys have too much honor to do this. No, there is no money behind. He gets sponsoring in form of a boat which is sponsored by the manufacturer. The rest of his life's expenses, all travels, housing, shipping of his equipment, bring wife and kids along sometimes, mortgage on their house, all that needs to be paid for. And it was a struggle to finance all this. Friends help, family helps, and a few local companies in his hometown chip in. He is a construction engineer and his net worth is less than half mine as a mid-30 programmer. So yes, everybody keep downvoting me and ignore that not every "elite athlete" is some overpaid basketball or soccer pro making 8-figures a year and evading taxes.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS True in Curling i never heard of doping. And trust me even your friend would not told you if he takes doping (no saying he did). And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples.
    - wildmanx 6y ago
      > True in Curling i never heard of doping. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/sports/olympics/olympic-curling-doping-reaction.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/sports/olympics/olympic-c... Your feelings are not in congruence with facts. > And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples. Again, evidence or it did not happen. You are casting unproven claims as facts. That gives the impression that the default is an athlete is doped, and _that's_ what's unfair.
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      - nix23 6y ago
        I don't see why i have to prove anything, I'm not that Anti Doping Agency. Look at the past for example Street-cycling. Russian Olympic team, the Team from East Germany etc....lots of evidence...and even in Curling. Thanks for the laugh.
mtts 6y ago
Which is why, the conspiracy theory goes, it’s only second tier athletic disciplines that have a doping problem. In sports where the real money is, such as football and tennis, it pays to sweep results under the rug. Cyclists and distance skiers, on the other hand, seem to go from one scandal to the next. Unless an athlete shows up that does manage to bring in serious amounts of money. In that case the lid goes on for a few years.
- nix23 6y ago
  At that point i would not speak of a "conspiracy theory" anymore, more of like a unspoken truth. EDIT: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327574/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327574/ >In football players, doping has recently become an important matter >>Androgen abuse has not only a direct effect on myocardial hypertrophy and fibrosis, but can also result in myocardial infarction, arrhythmia, hypertension and dyslipidemia >>>Herbal supplements, anti-histamines and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/08/more-young-footballers-dying-of-heart-problems-than-thought-fa-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/08/more-young-f... But no probable connection to Doping...when the guardian sleeps...

nix23 6y ago

>I personally know some Olympic finalists in some sports, and they certainly don't see big money MONEY BEHIND...that's something else. And the Athletes don't pay for the Stuff, AND it's not in every sport and not every sport profits from doping.

wildmanx 6y ago
I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS. So, you agree with me then? My friend was in the finals in Beijing and in London, top-6. In London half a second from a medal. Yes doping would help immensely but those guys have too much honor to do this. No, there is no money behind. He gets sponsoring in form of a boat which is sponsored by the manufacturer. The rest of his life's expenses, all travels, housing, shipping of his equipment, bring wife and kids along sometimes, mortgage on their house, all that needs to be paid for. And it was a struggle to finance all this. Friends help, family helps, and a few local companies in his hometown chip in. He is a construction engineer and his net worth is less than half mine as a mid-30 programmer. So yes, everybody keep downvoting me and ignore that not every "elite athlete" is some overpaid basketball or soccer pro making 8-figures a year and evading taxes.
- nix23 6y ago
  >I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS True in Curling i never heard of doping. And trust me even your friend would not told you if he takes doping (no saying he did). And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples.
  - wildmanx 6y ago
    > True in Curling i never heard of doping. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/sports/olympics/olympic-curling-doping-reaction.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/sports/olympics/olympic-c... Your feelings are not in congruence with facts. > And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples. Again, evidence or it did not happen. You are casting unproven claims as facts. That gives the impression that the default is an athlete is doped, and _that's_ what's unfair.
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    - nix23 6y ago
      I don't see why i have to prove anything, I'm not that Anti Doping Agency. Look at the past for example Street-cycling. Russian Olympic team, the Team from East Germany etc....lots of evidence...and even in Curling. Thanks for the laugh.

mtts 6y ago

Which is why, the conspiracy theory goes, it’s only second tier athletic disciplines that have a doping problem. In sports where the real money is, such as football and tennis, it pays to sweep results under the rug. Cyclists and distance skiers, on the other hand, seem to go from one scandal to the next. Unless an athlete shows up that does manage to bring in serious amounts of money. In that case the lid goes on for a few years.

nix23 6y ago
At that point i would not speak of a "conspiracy theory" anymore, more of like a unspoken truth. EDIT: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327574/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327574/ >In football players, doping has recently become an important matter >>Androgen abuse has not only a direct effect on myocardial hypertrophy and fibrosis, but can also result in myocardial infarction, arrhythmia, hypertension and dyslipidemia >>>Herbal supplements, anti-histamines and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/08/more-young-footballers-dying-of-heart-problems-than-thought-fa-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/08/more-young-f... But no probable connection to Doping...when the guardian sleeps...