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Hey everyone, OP here. I know this can be a somewhat controversial topic, so I'm keen to hear your perspectives on inclusive language and inclusion in general.

Hey everyone, OP here. I know this can be a somewhat controversial topic, so I'm keen to hear your perspectives on inclusive language and inclusion in general. Thanks for stumbling upon my post :)

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
Your behavior change is fine, and you're free to modify your own behavior if you'd like obviously. You never said it, but where many people go wrong is when they say "I'm modifying my behavior to avoid any potential for a perceived slight, and you should too." Such behavior policing is toxic. I used to have a severe anxiety disorder that partly stemmed from being overly sensitive about what other people thought about me. I had to consciously dampen down that part of myself, and I feel much, much better about it. I think instead of getting individuals to avoid offending others, we should instead foster a mentality of resiliency. People get offended far too easily nowadays. They should learn how to stop caring so much about what other people think. Of course there's a line beyond which you're just a jerk, but to me, just saying "hey guys" doesn't cross it. But that's just me, and I'm in a region of the country where "hey guys" is acceptable.
cechmaster 6y ago
The webster dictionary literally says: Guys - PERSON —used in plural to refer to the members of a group regardless of sex.
- onecommentman 6y ago
  A proper use of the rhetorical device of an “appeal to authority.” Thanks.
Kednicma 6y ago
"guy" comes from the ancient Roman names "Gaius" and "Gaia". Note carefully how the one name had two gendered forms since ancient Latin is gendered. As a Lojban speaker, it is incredibly tiring to listen to English-only speakers whine about how gendered their language is. You want everybody to change how they talk, but still talk English; what a half-measure! There is no such thing as a good person. Your misandry blinds you to this fact.
- dang 6y ago
  This comment breaks the site guidelines badly. Ideological flamebait, name-calling, and (especially) personal attacks will get you banned here. We've had to warn you before. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, which means editing out any swipes that make it into your comments? On the other hand, I just looked at your recent comment history and am pleased to see a lot of mostly substantive comments there. Thank you for that. If you'd just be careful to take out the swipes (as in the last paragraph of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24813852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24813852), the problem would be solved. We'd appreciate that. p.s. Your etymological claim is incorrect according to Etymonline: https://www.etymonline.com/word/guy#etymonline_v_14401 https://www.etymonline.com/word/guy#etymonline_v_14401
  - Kednicma 6y ago
    You are slightly improving as a person. I did not expect that. To respect your personal growth, I'll retire this account. In the case example that you linked, I find it disappointing that you still do not read entire threads. The original article is a Wikipedia article with many authors. The original comment, which critiques either Wikipedia or Baumol & Bowen's original study, includes the summary: > So - this is simply a bad, ignorant example. It's not just wrong, it's flagrantly, wildly, outrageously misinformed, and is based on an almost total lack of insight into an industry that is worth $146 million a year - of which around $90 million is income from streaming. My comment concludes with the line: > This is a bad, ignorant example. Not just wrong, but flagrantly, wildly, outrageously misinformed. I understand that you object to when we (those who know of the Prime Directive) hold a mirror up to HN. It is embarrassing to imagine how other people must see us, knowing how we see other people. However, that does not mean that we should stop looking at ourselves in the mirror. Oh, and finally, have a happy Halloween.
    - dang 6y ago
      There are far too many threads to read them all but we still have to moderate. I did miss that parent comment, but I don't see how this makes much difference. What you wrote was still a swipe.

Hey everyone, OP here. I know this can be a somewhat controversial topic, so I'm keen to hear your perspectives on inclusive language and inclusion in general. Thanks for stumbling upon my post :)

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago

Your behavior change is fine, and you're free to modify your own behavior if you'd like obviously. You never said it, but where many people go wrong is when they say "I'm modifying my behavior to avoid any potential for a perceived slight, and you should too." Such behavior policing is toxic. I used to have a severe anxiety disorder that partly stemmed from being overly sensitive about what other people thought about me. I had to consciously dampen down that part of myself, and I feel much, much better about it. I think instead of getting individuals to avoid offending others, we should instead foster a mentality of resiliency. People get offended far too easily nowadays. They should learn how to stop caring so much about what other people think. Of course there's a line beyond which you're just a jerk, but to me, just saying "hey guys" doesn't cross it. But that's just me, and I'm in a region of the country where "hey guys" is acceptable.

cechmaster 6y ago

The webster dictionary literally says: Guys - PERSON —used in plural to refer to the members of a group regardless of sex.

onecommentman 6y ago
A proper use of the rhetorical device of an “appeal to authority.” Thanks.

Kednicma 6y ago

"guy" comes from the ancient Roman names "Gaius" and "Gaia". Note carefully how the one name had two gendered forms since ancient Latin is gendered. As a Lojban speaker, it is incredibly tiring to listen to English-only speakers whine about how gendered their language is. You want everybody to change how they talk, but still talk English; what a half-measure! There is no such thing as a good person. Your misandry blinds you to this fact.

dang 6y ago
This comment breaks the site guidelines badly. Ideological flamebait, name-calling, and (especially) personal attacks will get you banned here. We've had to warn you before. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, which means editing out any swipes that make it into your comments? On the other hand, I just looked at your recent comment history and am pleased to see a lot of mostly substantive comments there. Thank you for that. If you'd just be careful to take out the swipes (as in the last paragraph of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24813852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24813852), the problem would be solved. We'd appreciate that. p.s. Your etymological claim is incorrect according to Etymonline: https://www.etymonline.com/word/guy#etymonline_v_14401 https://www.etymonline.com/word/guy#etymonline_v_14401
- Kednicma 6y ago
  You are slightly improving as a person. I did not expect that. To respect your personal growth, I'll retire this account. In the case example that you linked, I find it disappointing that you still do not read entire threads. The original article is a Wikipedia article with many authors. The original comment, which critiques either Wikipedia or Baumol & Bowen's original study, includes the summary: > So - this is simply a bad, ignorant example. It's not just wrong, it's flagrantly, wildly, outrageously misinformed, and is based on an almost total lack of insight into an industry that is worth $146 million a year - of which around $90 million is income from streaming. My comment concludes with the line: > This is a bad, ignorant example. Not just wrong, but flagrantly, wildly, outrageously misinformed. I understand that you object to when we (those who know of the Prime Directive) hold a mirror up to HN. It is embarrassing to imagine how other people must see us, knowing how we see other people. However, that does not mean that we should stop looking at ourselves in the mirror. Oh, and finally, have a happy Halloween.
  - dang 6y ago
    There are far too many threads to read them all but we still have to moderate. I did miss that parent comment, but I don't see how this makes much difference. What you wrote was still a swipe.