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A lot of people seem to be missing the reference here. Musk tweeted support for the coup this summer: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw https://m.imgur.com/g

A lot of people seem to be missing the reference here. Musk tweeted support for the coup this summer: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw

macspoofing 6y ago
You think Musk was serious? You sure he wasn't just trolling a responder who came out with a red herring about US coup in Bolivia and accusing Musk of being complicit in it (and you get those guys all the time online. You could be talking about unicorns and they'll just jump in with "Remember that America is evil" bit).
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  "Oh he was just joking about the coup that he probably did help cause" isn't much better.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    >Oh he was just joking about the coup But he wasn't. He was responding, in kind, to a tweet that came out with a red herring about America organizing coup to benefit Musk. And those guys are a dime a dozen online. Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. >probably did help cause Where are you getting that from?
    - the_only_law 6y ago
      > Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet. They were responding to a tweet about unnecessary government expenditure with an example of another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported. You can call it a whataboutism or attack it for a number of other things, but this is an irrelevant strawman.
      - macspoofing 6y ago
        >This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet What are you talking about? The tweet Musk trolled is in bad faith. That doofus accused Musk of staging a coup. And yes, it is 'whataboutism'. >another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported Allegedly? Who alleged this? Where are you getting that from?
        the_only_law 6y ago
        Its pretty clear what I'm talking about given the direct quote and subsequent explanation. > Allegedly? Who alleged this? Literally the tweet you are attacking. I'm not sure if you are playing dumb on purpose or what.
        macspoofing 6y ago
        Oh.. so the only person who 'alleged' this, was this bad faith doofus who accused Musk of supporting (or staging) the coup in Bolivia. Gotcha ... though I still fail to see what is the a good faith interpretation of that tweet.
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        the_only_law 6y ago
        The good faith (perhaps better faith is more appropriate) way to interpret it would be as I mentioned, and calling it out for its actual issues instead of trying to soapbox by building a strawman.
        macspoofing 6y ago
        I'm not sure what it is you expected. If you start with accusing someone of staging or supporting a coup you lost the right to a good faith interpretation of your motives from that individual. But this is par for course from online marxists.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      Oh, so he wasn't joking. He was mocking the people who think he should be held accountable for his actions. As they're annoying. The clear role lithium played on the coup, the known pressure placed by the US to force that coup, and the economic benefit to Tesla both immediately after the coup and long term. I'll admit it's hardly conclusive, but it's enough that his response was terrible.
      - macspoofing 6y ago
        >He was mocking the people who think he should be held accountable for his actions. If you're an internet marxist and accuse someone (without evidence) of staging or supporting a coup .. you're not actually holding anyone for their actions... you're just acting like a douchebag marxist. >and the economic benefit to Tesla both immediately after the coup and long term. And to you as well, after all, lower lithium prices mean lower prices for any battery-operated electronics. Maybe you're behind this coup as well? >I'll admit it's hardly conclusive I think you can state it more strongly than that. It's a conspiracy theory in the mold of infowars.
        boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >you're just acting like a douchebag marxist. Only Marxists oppose coups? If you don't want people to blame you for a coup, maybe don't make your first public statement about it be a douchebag admission of guilt. >And to you as well, after all, lower lithium prices mean lower prices for any battery-operated electronics. Maybe you're behind this coup as well? I would stand to gain a few dollars, Musk would gain billions. As I think the US helped with this coup, I would be behind it as well, but not to the same degree. >I think you can state it more strongly than that. It's a conspiracy theory in the mold of infowars. Both the foreign interests ties and the US ties have some evidence, you just can't conclusively show Musk's involvement. Given the events of the past century, suspecting US involvement in a South American coup is hardly crazy.
        macspoofing 6y ago
        >Only Marxists oppose coups? No. But I looked up the twitter account and a hammer/sickle is a tell-tale sign of Marxists. >you just can't conclusively show Musk's involvement. Let's be clear, you can't show ANY involvement by Musk. So all you're left with is FUD.
eznzt 6y ago
What you seem to be missing is a sense of sarcasm.
gridlockd 6y ago
Unless there's material evidence that Elon Musk or his company execs have had any hand in this "coup", I would write that off as trolling.
joejohnson 6y ago
The replies to this are amazing. A popular leader enacts policies which prevent multinationals from extracting the resources of Bolivia (including a lot of lithium, used in batteries), the leader is then pushed out in a coup which is supported by the US intelligence community and the western business interests (look up the OAS). And Musk tweets support for this coup and then deletes the tweet and people defend this like it’s a joke. Maybe he was high when he tweeted it but there is clearly some truth behind his “joke”.
- neves 6y ago
  The coup was supported by American Media and OAS https://theintercept.com/2020/06/08/the-nyt-admits-key-falsehoods-that-drove-last-years-coup-in-bolivia-falsehoods-peddled-by-the-u-s-its-media-and-the-nyt/ https://theintercept.com/2020/06/08/the-nyt-admits-key-false...

A lot of people seem to be missing the reference here. Musk tweeted support for the coup this summer: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw

macspoofing 6y ago

You think Musk was serious? You sure he wasn't just trolling a responder who came out with a red herring about US coup in Bolivia and accusing Musk of being complicit in it (and you get those guys all the time online. You could be talking about unicorns and they'll just jump in with "Remember that America is evil" bit).

boomboomsubban 6y ago
"Oh he was just joking about the coup that he probably did help cause" isn't much better.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >Oh he was just joking about the coup But he wasn't. He was responding, in kind, to a tweet that came out with a red herring about America organizing coup to benefit Musk. And those guys are a dime a dozen online. Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. >probably did help cause Where are you getting that from?
  - the_only_law 6y ago
    > Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet. They were responding to a tweet about unnecessary government expenditure with an example of another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported. You can call it a whataboutism or attack it for a number of other things, but this is an irrelevant strawman.
    - macspoofing 6y ago
      >This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet What are you talking about? The tweet Musk trolled is in bad faith. That doofus accused Musk of staging a coup. And yes, it is 'whataboutism'. >another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported Allegedly? Who alleged this? Where are you getting that from?
      - the_only_law 6y ago
        Its pretty clear what I'm talking about given the direct quote and subsequent explanation. > Allegedly? Who alleged this? Literally the tweet you are attacking. I'm not sure if you are playing dumb on purpose or what.
        macspoofing 6y ago
        Oh.. so the only person who 'alleged' this, was this bad faith doofus who accused Musk of supporting (or staging) the coup in Bolivia. Gotcha ... though I still fail to see what is the a good faith interpretation of that tweet.
        deleted 6y ago
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        the_only_law 6y ago
        The good faith (perhaps better faith is more appropriate) way to interpret it would be as I mentioned, and calling it out for its actual issues instead of trying to soapbox by building a strawman.
        macspoofing 6y ago
        I'm not sure what it is you expected. If you start with accusing someone of staging or supporting a coup you lost the right to a good faith interpretation of your motives from that individual. But this is par for course from online marxists.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    Oh, so he wasn't joking. He was mocking the people who think he should be held accountable for his actions. As they're annoying. The clear role lithium played on the coup, the known pressure placed by the US to force that coup, and the economic benefit to Tesla both immediately after the coup and long term. I'll admit it's hardly conclusive, but it's enough that his response was terrible.
    - macspoofing 6y ago
      >He was mocking the people who think he should be held accountable for his actions. If you're an internet marxist and accuse someone (without evidence) of staging or supporting a coup .. you're not actually holding anyone for their actions... you're just acting like a douchebag marxist. >and the economic benefit to Tesla both immediately after the coup and long term. And to you as well, after all, lower lithium prices mean lower prices for any battery-operated electronics. Maybe you're behind this coup as well? >I'll admit it's hardly conclusive I think you can state it more strongly than that. It's a conspiracy theory in the mold of infowars.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >you're just acting like a douchebag marxist. Only Marxists oppose coups? If you don't want people to blame you for a coup, maybe don't make your first public statement about it be a douchebag admission of guilt. >And to you as well, after all, lower lithium prices mean lower prices for any battery-operated electronics. Maybe you're behind this coup as well? I would stand to gain a few dollars, Musk would gain billions. As I think the US helped with this coup, I would be behind it as well, but not to the same degree. >I think you can state it more strongly than that. It's a conspiracy theory in the mold of infowars. Both the foreign interests ties and the US ties have some evidence, you just can't conclusively show Musk's involvement. Given the events of the past century, suspecting US involvement in a South American coup is hardly crazy.
        macspoofing 6y ago
        >Only Marxists oppose coups? No. But I looked up the twitter account and a hammer/sickle is a tell-tale sign of Marxists. >you just can't conclusively show Musk's involvement. Let's be clear, you can't show ANY involvement by Musk. So all you're left with is FUD.

eznzt 6y ago

What you seem to be missing is a sense of sarcasm.

gridlockd 6y ago

Unless there's material evidence that Elon Musk or his company execs have had any hand in this "coup", I would write that off as trolling.

joejohnson 6y ago

The replies to this are amazing. A popular leader enacts policies which prevent multinationals from extracting the resources of Bolivia (including a lot of lithium, used in batteries), the leader is then pushed out in a coup which is supported by the US intelligence community and the western business interests (look up the OAS). And Musk tweets support for this coup and then deletes the tweet and people defend this like it’s a joke. Maybe he was high when he tweeted it but there is clearly some truth behind his “joke”.

neves 6y ago
The coup was supported by American Media and OAS https://theintercept.com/2020/06/08/the-nyt-admits-key-falsehoods-that-drove-last-years-coup-in-bolivia-falsehoods-peddled-by-the-u-s-its-media-and-the-nyt/ https://theintercept.com/2020/06/08/the-nyt-admits-key-false...