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Will the Bolivian people now possibly profit from the electric car boom? Or Elon Musk will support another coup?

by neves 6y ago

kwanbix 6y ago
What are you talking about? Evo morales presented himself in the elections illegally and then he committed fraud as he was loosing.
- CyanBird 6y ago
  He did present himself illegally, but there's no evidence of fraud in the past election, all claims of it come from the now debunked OAS report
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >he committed fraud as he was loosing. This claim has been debunked after the OAS finally released their data set. The original report fucked up the time stamps, which means the "hard-to-explain change in the preliminary results" never actual occurred.
zpeti 6y ago
Yeah as is typical throughout history with communist regimes, the people always benefit greatly.
- Retr0 6y ago
  >Bolivia’s economy has undergone structural economic transformation during Evo Morales’s presidency. Real (inflation-adjusted) per capita GDP grew by more than 50 percent over these past 13 years. This was twice the rate of growth for the Latin American and Caribbean region. Even as the Latin American regional economy slowed over the past five years, Bolivia had the highest growth of per capita GDP in South America. https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-macro-2019-10.pdf https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-macro-2019-1...
  - collegecamp293 6y ago
    Bolivia's GDP per capita is still one of the lowest in Latin America. It's also one of the lowest in the world excluding African nations. It's easier to grow when you're very poor.
    - socialdemocrat 6y ago
      If a capitalist friendly guy had been in charge, you would not have made this point though. When socialists have success people are always eager to find excuses and when capitalism utterly fails like the Russian shock therapy, people line up to make excuses. Can’t we just accept that the devil is in the details. Quality of government matters more than you political ideology, with respect to economic growth.
      - aixi 6y ago
        I lived in South America and the amount of Bolivian emigrants, and people in general who leave the country temporarily to use other countries' resources (collecting welfare from other countries and taking advantage of public healthcare in some other South American countries, particularly Argentina) is enough proof for me that Bolivia is not doing very well, whether it is a socialist state or not.
    - christophilus 6y ago
      Not sure why you’re being downvoted. It’s almost a tautology that it’s easier to double a two dollars than it is to double two trillion. Starting point makes a big difference, and growth alone is not an indication of comparative success.
CyanBird 6y ago
It will depend on what will the new gov do about the military and police which betrayed the past administration and how many loyal forces as a % of the forces do they have If they decide to purge it will take less time to "recover", if they make a national unity government, then it might take considerably longer
joejohnson 6y ago
A lot of people seem to be missing the reference here. Musk tweeted support for the coup this summer: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw
- macspoofing 6y ago
  You think Musk was serious? You sure he wasn't just trolling a responder who came out with a red herring about US coup in Bolivia and accusing Musk of being complicit in it (and you get those guys all the time online. You could be talking about unicorns and they'll just jump in with "Remember that America is evil" bit).
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    "Oh he was just joking about the coup that he probably did help cause" isn't much better.
    - macspoofing 6y ago
      >Oh he was just joking about the coup But he wasn't. He was responding, in kind, to a tweet that came out with a red herring about America organizing coup to benefit Musk. And those guys are a dime a dozen online. Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. >probably did help cause Where are you getting that from?
      - the_only_law 6y ago
        > Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet. They were responding to a tweet about unnecessary government expenditure with an example of another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported. You can call it a whataboutism or attack it for a number of other things, but this is an irrelevant strawman.
        6y ago

Will the Bolivian people now possibly profit from the electric car boom? Or Elon Musk will support another coup?

by neves 6y ago

Will the Bolivian people now possibly profit from the electric car boom? Or Elon Musk will support another coup?

What are you talking about? Evo morales presented himself in the elections illegally and then he committed fraud as he was loosing.

CyanBird 6y ago
He did present himself illegally, but there's no evidence of fraud in the past election, all claims of it come from the now debunked OAS report
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>he committed fraud as he was loosing. This claim has been debunked after the OAS finally released their data set. The original report fucked up the time stamps, which means the "hard-to-explain change in the preliminary results" never actual occurred.

zpeti 6y ago

Yeah as is typical throughout history with communist regimes, the people always benefit greatly.

Retr0 6y ago
>Bolivia’s economy has undergone structural economic transformation during Evo Morales’s presidency. Real (inflation-adjusted) per capita GDP grew by more than 50 percent over these past 13 years. This was twice the rate of growth for the Latin American and Caribbean region. Even as the Latin American regional economy slowed over the past five years, Bolivia had the highest growth of per capita GDP in South America. https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-macro-2019-10.pdf https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-macro-2019-1...
- collegecamp293 6y ago
  Bolivia's GDP per capita is still one of the lowest in Latin America. It's also one of the lowest in the world excluding African nations. It's easier to grow when you're very poor.
  - socialdemocrat 6y ago
    If a capitalist friendly guy had been in charge, you would not have made this point though. When socialists have success people are always eager to find excuses and when capitalism utterly fails like the Russian shock therapy, people line up to make excuses. Can’t we just accept that the devil is in the details. Quality of government matters more than you political ideology, with respect to economic growth.
    - aixi 6y ago
      I lived in South America and the amount of Bolivian emigrants, and people in general who leave the country temporarily to use other countries' resources (collecting welfare from other countries and taking advantage of public healthcare in some other South American countries, particularly Argentina) is enough proof for me that Bolivia is not doing very well, whether it is a socialist state or not.
  - christophilus 6y ago
    Not sure why you’re being downvoted. It’s almost a tautology that it’s easier to double a two dollars than it is to double two trillion. Starting point makes a big difference, and growth alone is not an indication of comparative success.

CyanBird 6y ago

It will depend on what will the new gov do about the military and police which betrayed the past administration and how many loyal forces as a % of the forces do they have If they decide to purge it will take less time to "recover", if they make a national unity government, then it might take considerably longer

joejohnson 6y ago

A lot of people seem to be missing the reference here. Musk tweeted support for the coup this summer: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw

macspoofing 6y ago
You think Musk was serious? You sure he wasn't just trolling a responder who came out with a red herring about US coup in Bolivia and accusing Musk of being complicit in it (and you get those guys all the time online. You could be talking about unicorns and they'll just jump in with "Remember that America is evil" bit).
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  "Oh he was just joking about the coup that he probably did help cause" isn't much better.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    >Oh he was just joking about the coup But he wasn't. He was responding, in kind, to a tweet that came out with a red herring about America organizing coup to benefit Musk. And those guys are a dime a dozen online. Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. >probably did help cause Where are you getting that from?
    - the_only_law 6y ago
      > Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying. This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet. They were responding to a tweet about unnecessary government expenditure with an example of another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported. You can call it a whataboutism or attack it for a number of other things, but this is an irrelevant strawman.
      - 6y ago