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IKEA’s quality hasn’t changed. This is just a typical example of selection bias. Of course the old IKEA furniture that still is around is of better quality than

by Ma8ee 6y ago

IKEA’s quality hasn’t changed. This is just a typical example of selection bias. Of course the old IKEA furniture that still is around is of better quality than those that aren’t. They sold cardboard furniture 30 years ago too, it’s just that most of it isn’t around anymore, and the thirty year old furniture that still is around is the pieces that are of better quality.

mongol 6y ago
I think it has. It is a subjective judgement but they used to have more products that were of higher grade than they do now. As an example, my parents had a garden table bought about 10-15 years ago. They now bought another one, very similar but still not. The finish was less exact, and the entire impression a step down. With the tables next to each other, very easy to see which is better made.
- Ma8ee 6y ago
  But you can find examples where the shift has gone the other way too. They have always, and still have, a range of qualities. We just bought a pair of armchairs that seems to be quite solidly built and with nice material and finish, but I also had to throw away some kitchen chairs after just few years that we bought in 2010 because they were falling apart. In my experience, even pieces that has the same name can change from year to year (in either direction quality wise), because they have found a way to rationalise the manufacturing further or found a different factory that will produce it slightly cheaper but with slightly different standards.
SquareWheel 6y ago
It sounds like you're describing survivorship bias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
- Ma8ee 6y ago
  Yes, that is a more precise term that I should have used. On the other hand, I’d argue that survivorship bias is a type of selection bias.
stfnfhrmnn 6y ago
I've got one specific example, where I know the quality has changed. I've bought the same modelf of sofa about 10 years apart. Ikea has done some serious value engineering. Both sofas look very similar from outside, but they are in fact very different. The newer frame appears to be somehwhat lighter, yet sturdier at the same time. The cushions however are now lighter and far less comfortable. They obviously spend a lot of effort into making everything more efficient and cost effective - some of it at a slight cost in perceived quality.
- Ma8ee 6y ago
  I should have written that the overall quality hasn’t changed. A lot of products have changed, in one way or another, but the overall quality isn’t worse than it used to be.

by Ma8ee 6y ago

mongol 6y ago

I think it has. It is a subjective judgement but they used to have more products that were of higher grade than they do now. As an example, my parents had a garden table bought about 10-15 years ago. They now bought another one, very similar but still not. The finish was less exact, and the entire impression a step down. With the tables next to each other, very easy to see which is better made.

Ma8ee 6y ago
But you can find examples where the shift has gone the other way too. They have always, and still have, a range of qualities. We just bought a pair of armchairs that seems to be quite solidly built and with nice material and finish, but I also had to throw away some kitchen chairs after just few years that we bought in 2010 because they were falling apart. In my experience, even pieces that has the same name can change from year to year (in either direction quality wise), because they have found a way to rationalise the manufacturing further or found a different factory that will produce it slightly cheaper but with slightly different standards.

SquareWheel 6y ago

It sounds like you're describing survivorship bias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Ma8ee 6y ago
Yes, that is a more precise term that I should have used. On the other hand, I’d argue that survivorship bias is a type of selection bias.

stfnfhrmnn 6y ago

I've got one specific example, where I know the quality has changed. I've bought the same modelf of sofa about 10 years apart. Ikea has done some serious value engineering. Both sofas look very similar from outside, but they are in fact very different. The newer frame appears to be somehwhat lighter, yet sturdier at the same time. The cushions however are now lighter and far less comfortable. They obviously spend a lot of effort into making everything more efficient and cost effective - some of it at a slight cost in perceived quality.

Ma8ee 6y ago
I should have written that the overall quality hasn’t changed. A lot of products have changed, in one way or another, but the overall quality isn’t worse than it used to be.