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Don't bother with the video, there's very little information aside from the fact that in 2001, personal use of drugs was decriminalised and by 2009 they could s

Don't bother with the video, there's very little information aside from the fact that in 2001, personal use of drugs was decriminalised and by 2009 they could see a drop in HIV infections, overdoses, and deaths.

jojobas 6y ago
The one number never mentioned is the number of people taken out of useful life by incapacitating habits.
- jdmoreira 6y ago
  Sorry but that’s just not true. I was there so I know for a fact that the most destructive kind of addicts simply vanished. I'm not going to say there aren’t many high functioning addicts, there might be. In the late 90s the streets in certain cities were overflowing with addicts (as in walking corpses almost) and that is simply not the case anymore.
  - jojobas 6y ago
    Addicts not having to rob for drugs is good. I'm yet to see any definitive numbers on how many people just buy drugs on dole and stay high at home. Found the following report. https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/images/resources/pdf/dart/The_Truth_on_Portugal_December_2018.pdf https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/images/resources/pdf/da... Spot checked a few numbers against sources and they check out. Quadrupling meth abuse is impressive.
    - quadhome 6y ago
      I'm yet to see any definitive numbers on how many people just buy drugs on dole and stay high at home. I've yet to see any definitive numbers on any other number of other scenarios of speculative fiction. Found the following report. I'm curious what "sources" you spot checked against, given this report is from Australia's Dalgarno Institute. An institute that, quoting them: "To shift the community and particularly adolescent, young adult and family attitudes about alcohol and other drugs away from the cultural expectation of participation, to consider the option of ‘not having to’. — via https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/about-us/the-mission.html https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/about-us/the-mission.ht... Cool cool, super cool. Abstinence it is then. No surprise, given who Isabella Dalgarno was… http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/dalgarno-isabella-3353 http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/dalgarno-isabella-3353
      - jojobas 6y ago
        However you measure life outcomes, the best possible cocaine and heroin intake is exactly zero. The report cites statistical agencies' numbers and they match the sources. Whoever Dalgarno is or was is irrelevant. Appeasing drug addictions is a dead end.
        mercer 6y ago
        So what do you propose is a better solution?

jojobas 6y ago

The one number never mentioned is the number of people taken out of useful life by incapacitating habits.

jdmoreira 6y ago
Sorry but that’s just not true. I was there so I know for a fact that the most destructive kind of addicts simply vanished. I'm not going to say there aren’t many high functioning addicts, there might be. In the late 90s the streets in certain cities were overflowing with addicts (as in walking corpses almost) and that is simply not the case anymore.
- jojobas 6y ago
  Addicts not having to rob for drugs is good. I'm yet to see any definitive numbers on how many people just buy drugs on dole and stay high at home. Found the following report. https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/images/resources/pdf/dart/The_Truth_on_Portugal_December_2018.pdf https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/images/resources/pdf/da... Spot checked a few numbers against sources and they check out. Quadrupling meth abuse is impressive.
  - quadhome 6y ago
    I'm yet to see any definitive numbers on how many people just buy drugs on dole and stay high at home. I've yet to see any definitive numbers on any other number of other scenarios of speculative fiction. Found the following report. I'm curious what "sources" you spot checked against, given this report is from Australia's Dalgarno Institute. An institute that, quoting them: "To shift the community and particularly adolescent, young adult and family attitudes about alcohol and other drugs away from the cultural expectation of participation, to consider the option of ‘not having to’. — via https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/about-us/the-mission.html https://www.dalgarnoinstitute.org.au/about-us/the-mission.ht... Cool cool, super cool. Abstinence it is then. No surprise, given who Isabella Dalgarno was… http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/dalgarno-isabella-3353 http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/dalgarno-isabella-3353
    - jojobas 6y ago
      However you measure life outcomes, the best possible cocaine and heroin intake is exactly zero. The report cites statistical agencies' numbers and they match the sources. Whoever Dalgarno is or was is irrelevant. Appeasing drug addictions is a dead end.
      - mercer 6y ago
        So what do you propose is a better solution?