Yeah, if you hang around HN long enough you'll get the privilege of seeing the man himself lament about the supposed penalty. It's gotten really long in the too

Yeah, if you hang around HN long enough you'll get the privilege of seeing the man himself lament about the supposed penalty. It's gotten really long in the tooth and it's the same spiel every time. At no point does he consider that there is no penalty, his site is just not as useful as competitors and that is why it does not rank highly.