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It'll be interesting to see what happens as more valley companies go remote (if they do). The cost of living is still outrageous in CA, even after some areas go

It'll be interesting to see what happens as more valley companies go remote (if they do). The cost of living is still outrageous in CA, even after some areas going down as much as 30%. I've also been seeing more and more interviews/commentary as you mentioned. People in Texas concerned folks coming from places like CA are going to try to turn Texas "purple" and make it the same "regulatory mess" which they fled in the first place.

bonestamp2 6y ago
> People in Texas concerned folks coming from places like CA This will be interesting. Almost all of the people I know who have fled California (to TX and AZ) are conservatives. I know a number of liberals who have considered it, but haven't done so (yet?). From my (purely anecdotal experience) I don't think it will turn Texas purple, I think it will make Texas more red and California more blue... further dividing two of our largest states. That would be unfortunate if it's true because I believe each state is better off when it's purple, when the best ideas from both sides are being fought for. For complex problems, we should not try liberal or conservative proposals, but actually implement both... one of them (randomly), with the agreement that it will be measured and then the other will be tried later to measure the same metrics. Or implement them in two different parts of the state simultaneously and then switch them after a few years. In other words, we should be A/B testing our laws to see which one performs better. It would be challenging to do it scientifically, it won't be perfect, but whatever we do learn is probably better than arguing about ideas for years. Also, I think both sides knowing that their idea is going to be tried and tested would hopefully chill everyone out a little and help bring some fairness to the process.
- supergeek133 6y ago
  I completely agree. We're better off as everyone mixes, otherwise you do end up with the situation like we're talking about "Oh God those blue people from CA are moving here and are coming to change our state". But, like you said, it's hard to say if "all the people moving" are conservative or liberal leaning. I'd venture to guess the first people wanting to move are likely conservative, as you say, and the article points out.
  - mbreese 6y ago
    > conservative or liberal leaning But those two terms are also quite relative. A conservative in California might actually be liberal for Texas, and vice versa.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  I know conservatives and liberals fleeing TX because of property taxes. It’s a conservative, low service state where everything rolls downhill to the counties and cities. Peoples valuations going up 20% a year. The best thing that could happen for TX is a Prop 13. The state would have to go blue to deal with reality and adopt an income tax.
  - barbacoa 6y ago
    The median home value in houston and dallas the two largest cities in TX is ~$200k, at 2.5% comes out to $5k in property taxes. The high property tax offsets the lack of state income tax. The high property tax also incentives local governments to encourage real estate development since that brings in more tax income. That then results in lower housing costs. Houston for example literally doesn't even have zoning laws. The downside to this is you may have to evacuate your house at 12am when there is an industrial chemical spill at the petro-chemical plant they build 1/2 a mile from your house. The upside is when home values start pricing people out developer will line up around the block to buy out sfh to build affordable mid rise apartment/condo units.
barbacoa 6y ago
As bay area folks move to Austin Texas they have started bringing bay area social problems with them.They enacted a new 'compassionate' homeless ordinances that legalized homeless camping in public. Which has resulted in the homeless population going from a panhandlers here and there to full blown tent cities on sidewalks and underpasses in only a few years.

bonestamp2 6y ago

> People in Texas concerned folks coming from places like CA This will be interesting. Almost all of the people I know who have fled California (to TX and AZ) are conservatives. I know a number of liberals who have considered it, but haven't done so (yet?). From my (purely anecdotal experience) I don't think it will turn Texas purple, I think it will make Texas more red and California more blue... further dividing two of our largest states. That would be unfortunate if it's true because I believe each state is better off when it's purple, when the best ideas from both sides are being fought for. For complex problems, we should not try liberal or conservative proposals, but actually implement both... one of them (randomly), with the agreement that it will be measured and then the other will be tried later to measure the same metrics. Or implement them in two different parts of the state simultaneously and then switch them after a few years. In other words, we should be A/B testing our laws to see which one performs better. It would be challenging to do it scientifically, it won't be perfect, but whatever we do learn is probably better than arguing about ideas for years. Also, I think both sides knowing that their idea is going to be tried and tested would hopefully chill everyone out a little and help bring some fairness to the process.

supergeek133 6y ago
I completely agree. We're better off as everyone mixes, otherwise you do end up with the situation like we're talking about "Oh God those blue people from CA are moving here and are coming to change our state". But, like you said, it's hard to say if "all the people moving" are conservative or liberal leaning. I'd venture to guess the first people wanting to move are likely conservative, as you say, and the article points out.
- mbreese 6y ago
  > conservative or liberal leaning But those two terms are also quite relative. A conservative in California might actually be liberal for Texas, and vice versa.
hindsightbias 6y ago
I know conservatives and liberals fleeing TX because of property taxes. It’s a conservative, low service state where everything rolls downhill to the counties and cities. Peoples valuations going up 20% a year. The best thing that could happen for TX is a Prop 13. The state would have to go blue to deal with reality and adopt an income tax.
- barbacoa 6y ago
  The median home value in houston and dallas the two largest cities in TX is ~$200k, at 2.5% comes out to $5k in property taxes. The high property tax offsets the lack of state income tax. The high property tax also incentives local governments to encourage real estate development since that brings in more tax income. That then results in lower housing costs. Houston for example literally doesn't even have zoning laws. The downside to this is you may have to evacuate your house at 12am when there is an industrial chemical spill at the petro-chemical plant they build 1/2 a mile from your house. The upside is when home values start pricing people out developer will line up around the block to buy out sfh to build affordable mid rise apartment/condo units.

barbacoa 6y ago

As bay area folks move to Austin Texas they have started bringing bay area social problems with them.They enacted a new 'compassionate' homeless ordinances that legalized homeless camping in public. Which has resulted in the homeless population going from a panhandlers here and there to full blown tent cities on sidewalks and underpasses in only a few years.