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California is far from being a Red state. Gerrymandering has resulted into a democratic eco-chamber where the options typically are an crazy left v/s ultra left

California is far from being a Red state. Gerrymandering has resulted into a democratic eco-chamber where the options typically are an crazy left v/s ultra left. My current candidate is promising Islam in public schools and legalization of discrimination based on gender and race. This guy a more of a "centrist" in democratic party. Republicans on other than continue to peddle the same outdated Republican agenda that might fly in Alabama but not in California. Their usual hatred for Spanish speaking population, Asians and Indians shows even when they need these votes to win elections. Going to an area like Fremont where most spoken language might be Telugu and demanding "must speak English in USA" is a political suicide.

TulliusCicero 6y ago
> California is far from being a Red state. Of course, and the article says nothing to the contrary.
lucian1900 6y ago
The US Democrats range from centre to right. Even Sanders would be a centrist in Europe, at most centre-left. Look at the CPUSA or PSL if you wish to see actual left.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  Don't know why this is being downvoted. The current Democrat presidential candidate has a history of "tough on crime" legislation and chose a similarly "tough on crime" running mate. AFAIK, neither has he committed to any re-distributive policies like expanding Medicare. In Canada he could be the leader of the Conservative party.
- apta 6y ago
  Europe (especially the Scandinavian countries) are nowhere near as socialist as Sanders is claiming. They're more capitalistic than socialist.
TulliusCicero 6y ago
> My current candidate is promising Islam in public schools and legalization of discrimination based on gender and race. This guy a more of a "centrist" in democratic party. I would love to see sources on these assertions of promising "Islam in public schools" and that this constitutes a centrist position in the democratic party. I'm guessing you're just complaining about having prayer rooms in schools that students may use? Not, like, actually teaching kids to be Muslims.
- andybak 6y ago
  Yes - I'd very much like to know more about this. From the other side of the pond I find it bemusing to hear that there's anyone remotely "far left" in mainstream US politics and the gp's comment is lacking in sufficient detail for me to form any kind of judgement about.
- KorematsuFred 6y ago
  > having prayer rooms in schools that students may use Which is exactly same as Islam in schools. Why should a public school provide "prayer rooms" which is basically a euphemism for Islam rooms. Today it will be prayer rooms tomorrow it will be halal only meat in cafes. This is a tyranny of minority. I am sorry, I do not see any difference. > Not, like, actually teaching kids to be Muslims. That would be the logical next step after the prayer rooms.
  - TulliusCicero 6y ago
    > Which is exactly same as Islam in schools. This is silly. My office in Google Munich has a meditation room used mostly -- though not exclusively -- by Muslims to pray. Is Google trying to get all its employees to be Muslim now? A prayer/meditation room that's open to both religious and comparable non-religious uses is a modest and reasonable accommodation that doesn't warrant hysterics over public schools "teaching Islam".
    - KorematsuFred 6y ago
      That is how colonization works. No one else asked for it, your employer provides it for a specific religion and in order to not sound partisan they give it a generic name. After they will ask for Halal food. (For a food to be halal it should be certified by certain halal board (which asks for money of course) and the meat must be processed by a muslim (which is religion based hiring)) If your employer providing halal food, it basically is forcing someone down the supply line to hire based on religion. Slippery slope.
selimthegrim 6y ago
How exactly is Islam being promoted in public schools?
apta 6y ago
> My current candidate is promising Islam in public schools Does that candidate understand that Islam is against many of the (far) leftist agendas that they're trying to push? Source: I'm Muslim.
- KorematsuFred 6y ago
  Yes, there are certain contradictions between teachings of Islam (misogyny, homophobia, etc.) that might at eventual conflict with the left wing values, I do not how that will play out in future, I guess the stronger faction would win.
  - TulliusCicero 6y ago
    Both of the major parties in the US have this issue. They're big tent parties, and the various factions often have conflicting values. It's probably true that, broadly speaking, Muslims tend to be more socially conservative than other Democrats. But then again, there was a similar issue with black voters and gay rights; black Democrats were less supportive than white Democrats, despite black people voting for Democrats far more than white people, on average.
  - apta 6y ago
    Islam is not mysogynistic nor homophobic. Those terms are meaningless labels used to ostracize, and are not conducive to proper discussion.

TulliusCicero 6y ago

> California is far from being a Red state. Of course, and the article says nothing to the contrary.

lucian1900 6y ago

The US Democrats range from centre to right. Even Sanders would be a centrist in Europe, at most centre-left. Look at the CPUSA or PSL if you wish to see actual left.

AlexandrB 6y ago
Don't know why this is being downvoted. The current Democrat presidential candidate has a history of "tough on crime" legislation and chose a similarly "tough on crime" running mate. AFAIK, neither has he committed to any re-distributive policies like expanding Medicare. In Canada he could be the leader of the Conservative party.
apta 6y ago
Europe (especially the Scandinavian countries) are nowhere near as socialist as Sanders is claiming. They're more capitalistic than socialist.

TulliusCicero 6y ago

> My current candidate is promising Islam in public schools and legalization of discrimination based on gender and race. This guy a more of a "centrist" in democratic party. I would love to see sources on these assertions of promising "Islam in public schools" and that this constitutes a centrist position in the democratic party. I'm guessing you're just complaining about having prayer rooms in schools that students may use? Not, like, actually teaching kids to be Muslims.

andybak 6y ago
Yes - I'd very much like to know more about this. From the other side of the pond I find it bemusing to hear that there's anyone remotely "far left" in mainstream US politics and the gp's comment is lacking in sufficient detail for me to form any kind of judgement about.
KorematsuFred 6y ago
> having prayer rooms in schools that students may use Which is exactly same as Islam in schools. Why should a public school provide "prayer rooms" which is basically a euphemism for Islam rooms. Today it will be prayer rooms tomorrow it will be halal only meat in cafes. This is a tyranny of minority. I am sorry, I do not see any difference. > Not, like, actually teaching kids to be Muslims. That would be the logical next step after the prayer rooms.
- TulliusCicero 6y ago
  > Which is exactly same as Islam in schools. This is silly. My office in Google Munich has a meditation room used mostly -- though not exclusively -- by Muslims to pray. Is Google trying to get all its employees to be Muslim now? A prayer/meditation room that's open to both religious and comparable non-religious uses is a modest and reasonable accommodation that doesn't warrant hysterics over public schools "teaching Islam".
  - KorematsuFred 6y ago
    That is how colonization works. No one else asked for it, your employer provides it for a specific religion and in order to not sound partisan they give it a generic name. After they will ask for Halal food. (For a food to be halal it should be certified by certain halal board (which asks for money of course) and the meat must be processed by a muslim (which is religion based hiring)) If your employer providing halal food, it basically is forcing someone down the supply line to hire based on religion. Slippery slope.

selimthegrim 6y ago

How exactly is Islam being promoted in public schools?

apta 6y ago

> My current candidate is promising Islam in public schools Does that candidate understand that Islam is against many of the (far) leftist agendas that they're trying to push? Source: I'm Muslim.

KorematsuFred 6y ago
Yes, there are certain contradictions between teachings of Islam (misogyny, homophobia, etc.) that might at eventual conflict with the left wing values, I do not how that will play out in future, I guess the stronger faction would win.
- TulliusCicero 6y ago
  Both of the major parties in the US have this issue. They're big tent parties, and the various factions often have conflicting values. It's probably true that, broadly speaking, Muslims tend to be more socially conservative than other Democrats. But then again, there was a similar issue with black voters and gay rights; black Democrats were less supportive than white Democrats, despite black people voting for Democrats far more than white people, on average.
- apta 6y ago
  Islam is not mysogynistic nor homophobic. Those terms are meaningless labels used to ostracize, and are not conducive to proper discussion.