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Yes. I want that. This would lead to a local tech scene, actually REALLY localised products (where you dont have to wait till google decides to roll out featur

Yes. I want that. This would lead to a local tech scene, actually REALLY localised products (where you dont have to wait till google decides to roll out features in Germany after 7 years) and best of all: JOBS. This would lead to millions of jobs. It would make Europe super interesting for high skilled labor and bring a nice twist into the migration problem we are facing now. Yes, this would hurt America, but yeah... who cares? They are not paying taxes anyway. And look at China. Look at their amazing apps and services they have there. We have NOTHING here. It is time to do the right thing and to say bye to American companies. We can make our own companies.

worldofmatthew 6y ago
So.... Internet censorship.
- 88840-8855 6y ago
  It is called protectionism. Calling the ban or taxing of uber "internet censorship" is too funny... lol
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  Id you want to ban Uber, you don't even touch the internet, you just go to the banks.
rewq4321 6y ago
There's a sense in which I agree with you, but it's for a different reason. I want a future where the "foundational" internet services (like chat, broadcast social, payments, etc) are decentralised/federated. And it seems like that's the end result of increased internet-service protectionism. This won't be possible with all internet services, but it seems plausible for several of the large, stabilised ones. Though I'm not sure whether we're quite ready for it yet.
birdsbirdsbirds 6y ago
AWS was built despite Google. Steam was built despite Google. Netflix got built despite Google. Even DuckDuckGo was built despite Google. The European telecommunication companies could have built another search engine. Via DNS, the telecom companies had all the server contact knowledge that Microsoft is prying from users' memory with their data collecting. There was Cliqz, a European search engine, that got dismantled due to Covid, without anybody offering some emergency funding to keep it going. If a EU firewall is installed, millions of jobs will be created because everything will be done manually again. European companies had the opportunity to create competitive companies, but they didn't. Why should they create a good-enough Google if Google is banned? More likely, they will create a worse Altavista, and they are cut off of all the innovation that builds on Google. The next unicorns, they don't rely on Google's blessing. Everybody can build them, even a company in Europe. Using their developers to copy Google would be a waste of talent and opportunities. China has to do it to control their news, but why should Europe? After all, there are no American companies demanding the shutdown of Google just so that they can create the next innovative products. They just create them. If American companies can innovate despite Google, why can't European companies do the same?
koonsolo 6y ago
No, that would basically mean smart people would emigrate to US, in much higher numbers than they are currently already doing it.
LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Hrrmpf. NEIN! That sounds like make work/Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahme/bullshit jobs a la Graeber. The reason for I(C)T to exist is to optimize until all those are gone! Otherwise you can go back to FAX, Phone, Post and paper files, and would probably more 'efficient' because of less friction between cybernetic fiction and factory floor.

worldofmatthew 6y ago

So.... Internet censorship.

88840-8855 6y ago
It is called protectionism. Calling the ban or taxing of uber "internet censorship" is too funny... lol
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
Id you want to ban Uber, you don't even touch the internet, you just go to the banks.

rewq4321 6y ago

There's a sense in which I agree with you, but it's for a different reason. I want a future where the "foundational" internet services (like chat, broadcast social, payments, etc) are decentralised/federated. And it seems like that's the end result of increased internet-service protectionism. This won't be possible with all internet services, but it seems plausible for several of the large, stabilised ones. Though I'm not sure whether we're quite ready for it yet.

birdsbirdsbirds 6y ago

AWS was built despite Google. Steam was built despite Google. Netflix got built despite Google. Even DuckDuckGo was built despite Google. The European telecommunication companies could have built another search engine. Via DNS, the telecom companies had all the server contact knowledge that Microsoft is prying from users' memory with their data collecting. There was Cliqz, a European search engine, that got dismantled due to Covid, without anybody offering some emergency funding to keep it going. If a EU firewall is installed, millions of jobs will be created because everything will be done manually again. European companies had the opportunity to create competitive companies, but they didn't. Why should they create a good-enough Google if Google is banned? More likely, they will create a worse Altavista, and they are cut off of all the innovation that builds on Google. The next unicorns, they don't rely on Google's blessing. Everybody can build them, even a company in Europe. Using their developers to copy Google would be a waste of talent and opportunities. China has to do it to control their news, but why should Europe? After all, there are no American companies demanding the shutdown of Google just so that they can create the next innovative products. They just create them. If American companies can innovate despite Google, why can't European companies do the same?

koonsolo 6y ago

No, that would basically mean smart people would emigrate to US, in much higher numbers than they are currently already doing it.

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

Hrrmpf. NEIN! That sounds like make work/Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahme/bullshit jobs a la Graeber. The reason for I(C)T to exist is to optimize until all those are gone! Otherwise you can go back to FAX, Phone, Post and paper files, and would probably more 'efficient' because of less friction between cybernetic fiction and factory floor.