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You are comparing costs of bakery which made an apple pie with the price of apple. 60M budget included much more than just an app, which is basically a frontend

You are comparing costs of bakery which made an apple pie with the price of apple. 60M budget included much more than just an app, which is basically a frontend to a sophisticated government operation. If you want to make a point about inefficiency of German corporations, find the right figures first. Upd: I previously wrote, that Italian app shares the source code with German one, which was probably not correct. In fact, Italy collaborated with Germany on developing a contact tracing solution before, but the apps were developed independently with different requirements. I’m sorry.

siscia 6y ago
In my understanding the Italian app was developed from scratch, definitely no idea why you think that the two app share code. Can you share your source?
- ivan_gammel 6y ago
  You are right, thank you! I have updated my comment.
jolux 6y ago
60mm is a preposterous amount of money for building almost any application. That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US. It's a lot less than that in terms of total personnel costs ($100K is a modest salary-only for a software engineer, it's extremely low as a full cost of employment.)
  - okl 6y ago
    As an average, I guess it's about right for Germany.
  - jolux 6y ago
    Well, it’s pretty close to my salary. But I work in government.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Well, it’s pretty close to my salary. But I work in government. Sure. But it's probably nowhere close to your salary + benefits + overhead cost to your employer.
      - jolux 6y ago
        My benefits are lousy but the contractor I work for probably charges my employer, yes. 300 engineer years would still be quite a lot too.
        joejerryronnie 6y ago
        Well, there are 2 models of SW development you can use here: 1) 30 top notch engineers to build the MVP and then iterate. 2) 300 engineers - the first 100 to step all over each other trying to build an app and the remaining 200 engineers fixing the bugs from the first 100.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > My benefits are lousy but the contractor I work for probably charges my employer, yes. On top of whatever your direct employer charges to the government agency hiring them to cover profit and other costs (management overhead, contracting overhead) associated with your employment, there's also contract management overhead for the government agency. For contractors, the total cost is usually a greater multiple of salary + benefits than it is for direct employees (though if the benefits suck enough, maybe still a smaller multiple of bare salary.)
  - AdrianB1 6y ago
    IT salaries in egalitarian Europe are a lot lower than in US.
- brazzy 6y ago
  The app development itself cost only 4 Million. The rest is the projected total cost through 2021 including the server infrastructure and especially the call center support, which takes about 2000 calls a day.
  - jolux 6y ago
    That’s a pretty large AWS bill too. But I didn’t realize it covered a call center. Those are definitely quite expensive.

siscia 6y ago

In my understanding the Italian app was developed from scratch, definitely no idea why you think that the two app share code. Can you share your source?

ivan_gammel 6y ago
You are right, thank you! I have updated my comment.

jolux 6y ago

60mm is a preposterous amount of money for building almost any application. That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US. It's a lot less than that in terms of total personnel costs ($100K is a modest salary-only for a software engineer, it's extremely low as a full cost of employment.)
- okl 6y ago
  As an average, I guess it's about right for Germany.
- jolux 6y ago
  Well, it’s pretty close to my salary. But I work in government.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Well, it’s pretty close to my salary. But I work in government. Sure. But it's probably nowhere close to your salary + benefits + overhead cost to your employer.
    - jolux 6y ago
      My benefits are lousy but the contractor I work for probably charges my employer, yes. 300 engineer years would still be quite a lot too.
      - joejerryronnie 6y ago
        Well, there are 2 models of SW development you can use here: 1) 30 top notch engineers to build the MVP and then iterate. 2) 300 engineers - the first 100 to step all over each other trying to build an app and the remaining 200 engineers fixing the bugs from the first 100.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > My benefits are lousy but the contractor I work for probably charges my employer, yes. On top of whatever your direct employer charges to the government agency hiring them to cover profit and other costs (management overhead, contracting overhead) associated with your employment, there's also contract management overhead for the government agency. For contractors, the total cost is usually a greater multiple of salary + benefits than it is for direct employees (though if the benefits suck enough, maybe still a smaller multiple of bare salary.)
- AdrianB1 6y ago
  IT salaries in egalitarian Europe are a lot lower than in US.
brazzy 6y ago
The app development itself cost only 4 Million. The rest is the projected total cost through 2021 including the server infrastructure and especially the call center support, which takes about 2000 calls a day.
- jolux 6y ago
  That’s a pretty large AWS bill too. But I didn’t realize it covered a call center. Those are definitely quite expensive.