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It’s the opposite. He’s literally arming the population to prevent a future totalitarian takeover: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazil

by koolba 6y ago

It’s the opposite. He’s literally arming the population to prevent a future totalitarian takeover: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazil-bolsonaro.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazi... Dictators don’t encourage their people to be able to defend themselves.

pelasaco 6y ago
That's a good point. IMO he is center-right with some influence of liberalism and populist as typical politician in South America. However his govern still open, respecting the diversity, supporting the refugees from Venezuela and respecting the sovereignty of Neighbouring countries.
ufo 6y ago
That's just "2nd ammendment" propaganda that he borrowed from the United States. It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/ https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/
- pelasaco 6y ago
  > It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? Case closed.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? That his lies have been exposed. Especially regarding the unlawful exclusion of Lua from presidential elections. But he will try again, that's for sure. Do you really think that previous dictatorship happened overnight?
notreallytrue 6y ago
Who is receiving the guns? Mussolini did the same thing, he knew very well guns were not going to opposition but to his supporters that used them to kill or oppress his opponents. The rhetoric of "citizens that simply want to defend themselves" is an empty one.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  Hitler banned Jews from possessing guns in 1938. Russia passed gun control legislation in 1929 coinciding with the beginning of Stalins rule. Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. Cuba's gun laws are classified as highly restrictive. How it looks in Brazil after the decree: "Getting permission to buy a gun in Brazil still requires a lengthy process — including a mental health assessment and a criminal-background check — that can drag on for months. But shooting ranges and gun stores started to see an uptick in business, even before the new rules went into effect." So you can have a gun at home, but no carry is permitted.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. 9 years after Fascism raised to power and abolished democracy in Italy. BTW you are not reading it well, what the Royal Decree No. 773 of 1931 established was that production of arms had to be licensed by the regime and that armed military parade were abolished UNLESS EXPLICITLY AUTHORIZED Guess who gave the authorizations? Exactly! the fascist prefects! After all fascism went to power by marching to Rome in a military armed parade...
    - pelasaco 6y ago
      right, so again, no comparison with Brazil, where the Pandemic hasn't eroded the democracy. There the Senate rejected the decree from Bolsonaro: https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revokes-order-easing-gun-controls https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revok...

by koolba 6y ago

pelasaco 6y ago

That's a good point. IMO he is center-right with some influence of liberalism and populist as typical politician in South America. However his govern still open, respecting the diversity, supporting the refugees from Venezuela and respecting the sovereignty of Neighbouring countries.

ufo 6y ago

That's just "2nd ammendment" propaganda that he borrowed from the United States. It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/ https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/

pelasaco 6y ago
> It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? Case closed.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? That his lies have been exposed. Especially regarding the unlawful exclusion of Lua from presidential elections. But he will try again, that's for sure. Do you really think that previous dictatorship happened overnight?

notreallytrue 6y ago

Who is receiving the guns? Mussolini did the same thing, he knew very well guns were not going to opposition but to his supporters that used them to kill or oppress his opponents. The rhetoric of "citizens that simply want to defend themselves" is an empty one.

pelasaco 6y ago
Hitler banned Jews from possessing guns in 1938. Russia passed gun control legislation in 1929 coinciding with the beginning of Stalins rule. Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. Cuba's gun laws are classified as highly restrictive. How it looks in Brazil after the decree: "Getting permission to buy a gun in Brazil still requires a lengthy process — including a mental health assessment and a criminal-background check — that can drag on for months. But shooting ranges and gun stores started to see an uptick in business, even before the new rules went into effect." So you can have a gun at home, but no carry is permitted.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. 9 years after Fascism raised to power and abolished democracy in Italy. BTW you are not reading it well, what the Royal Decree No. 773 of 1931 established was that production of arms had to be licensed by the regime and that armed military parade were abolished UNLESS EXPLICITLY AUTHORIZED Guess who gave the authorizations? Exactly! the fascist prefects! After all fascism went to power by marching to Rome in a military armed parade...
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    right, so again, no comparison with Brazil, where the Pandemic hasn't eroded the democracy. There the Senate rejected the decree from Bolsonaro: https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revokes-order-easing-gun-controls https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revok...