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> you cannot compare right in Brazil with Nazi Period Is it true or not that Bolsonaro is against democracy and rallied against it or not? Can you find a mome

> you cannot compare right in Brazil with Nazi Period Is it true or not that Bolsonaro is against democracy and rallied against it or not? Can you find a moment when French or German president said something like "the military must be back in power"? The last time it happened in Europe was when nazi ruled, or when in Spain the fascist ruled, or when in Greece the fascists ruled etc. etc. I think the comparison is apt. > user: notreallytrue created: 8 minutes ago I know for a fact what happens to you when you go against far right movements, especially south american ones. Better safe than sorry.

koolba 6y ago
It’s the opposite. He’s literally arming the population to prevent a future totalitarian takeover: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazil-bolsonaro.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazi... Dictators don’t encourage their people to be able to defend themselves.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  That's a good point. IMO he is center-right with some influence of liberalism and populist as typical politician in South America. However his govern still open, respecting the diversity, supporting the refugees from Venezuela and respecting the sovereignty of Neighbouring countries.
- ufo 6y ago
  That's just "2nd ammendment" propaganda that he borrowed from the United States. It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/ https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    > It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? Case closed.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? That his lies have been exposed. Especially regarding the unlawful exclusion of Lua from presidential elections. But he will try again, that's for sure. Do you really think that previous dictatorship happened overnight?
- notreallytrue 6y ago
  Who is receiving the guns? Mussolini did the same thing, he knew very well guns were not going to opposition but to his supporters that used them to kill or oppress his opponents. The rhetoric of "citizens that simply want to defend themselves" is an empty one.
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    Hitler banned Jews from possessing guns in 1938. Russia passed gun control legislation in 1929 coinciding with the beginning of Stalins rule. Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. Cuba's gun laws are classified as highly restrictive. How it looks in Brazil after the decree: "Getting permission to buy a gun in Brazil still requires a lengthy process — including a mental health assessment and a criminal-background check — that can drag on for months. But shooting ranges and gun stores started to see an uptick in business, even before the new rules went into effect." So you can have a gun at home, but no carry is permitted.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. 9 years after Fascism raised to power and abolished democracy in Italy. BTW you are not reading it well, what the Royal Decree No. 773 of 1931 established was that production of arms had to be licensed by the regime and that armed military parade were abolished UNLESS EXPLICITLY AUTHORIZED Guess who gave the authorizations? Exactly! the fascist prefects! After all fascism went to power by marching to Rome in a military armed parade...
      - pelasaco 6y ago
        right, so again, no comparison with Brazil, where the Pandemic hasn't eroded the democracy. There the Senate rejected the decree from Bolsonaro: https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revokes-order-easing-gun-controls https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revok...
pelasaco 6y ago
you are creating a rhetoric that doesn't exist. There are 0 risk to be critics to south american regimes online. Maybe Venezuela? To compare the Brazilian Government with The Nazi Period, you are not making the Brazilian Government look bad, but you are making the Nazi Period look harmless. From my personal life (my family moved from what today is Poland to Brazil, around 40s). Today 80 years after, I feel safe to wear my Kippah in Sao Paulo, but I don't feel safe to do it in Paris or Berlin (city where I studied and lived). Bolsonaro as person and citizen has his opinions and he is really vocative about that (which is bad, and populist), but it doesn't reflect on the Politics being made in the Country. As it should be in a democracy, the personal opinion of a President has almost 0 influence.
- notreallytrue 6y ago
  > To compare the Brazilian Government with The Nazi Period Never did. I compared the military coups, which Bolsonaro is rooting for, undeniably, to the military government the nazi-fascists had over Germany and Italy and then Europe. They came to power thanks to the military support. As every far right movement usually does. Bolsonaro is praising and rallying for a return of the military dictatorship. He was there, in person, endorsing it. > my family moved from what today is Poland to Brazil, around 40s So did thousands of former SS officials who went to live there after WW2, protected and kept hidden. Including Joseph Mengele. > I feel safe to wear my Kippah in Sao Paulo, but I don't feel safe to do it in Paris or Berlin (city where I studied and lived) Are you sure? https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-as-coronavirus-rages-in-brazil-bolsonaro-s-embrace-of-israel-puts-jews-at-risk-1.8893391 https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-as-coronavirus-r... As much as I respect feelings, they are just feelings. Sao Pauol has a much higher crime rate and 10 to 15 times worse homicide rate than Berlin, you might feel safer, but you are not safer. “I hope God continues to enlighten President Jair Bolsonaro because he has a Jew who is at the head of the Senate at his disadvantage, Jews are miserly. Jews are wicked and think only of their well-being.” Said Bolsonaro's supporters when the first Jewish president of Brazilian Congress was nominated. Have you seen supporters of Merkel or Macron write something like that? Uncondemned? Remember that Bolsonaro in Brazil controls the media, but he cannot hide that under his government > And if two key elements had been missing – anti-Semitism and the use of the state apparatus, especially the police, to stifle the press and persecute political dissenters – and thus prevented us from characterizing Bolsonaro and his gang as fascists once and for all, that is no longer the case. > 1. On its official website and its verified Twitter profile, the Brazilian Army recently honored and treated as a "martyr" Eduard Ernest Thilo Otto Maximilian von Westernhagen, a Nazi major who was decorated by Hitler and killed in Brazil by members of the Colina, a resistance group against the military dictatorship and its state terrorism. > Bolsonaro’s Justice Minister Sérgio Moro – after being unmasked in the conspiracy against former President Lula and Brazilian democracy as a judge of Operation Lava Jato, which was denounced by The Intercept – decided to use the Federal Police to try to intimidate the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, editor of the prestigious news site, and to persecute me over a conspiracy theory. Moro is the same man that presented testimony for interference with justice by Bolsonaro that the president from his social account called "a traitor, a Juda" Moro was chosen by Bolsonaro himself, exactly because he handled the operation "car wash" that illegally put Lula out of the competition. If a man who obstructed justice to stop a former President to run for re-election is saying that the current President is interfering with justice, it is probably worse than we think.

koolba 6y ago

It’s the opposite. He’s literally arming the population to prevent a future totalitarian takeover: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazil-bolsonaro.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/americas/guns-brazi... Dictators don’t encourage their people to be able to defend themselves.

pelasaco 6y ago
That's a good point. IMO he is center-right with some influence of liberalism and populist as typical politician in South America. However his govern still open, respecting the diversity, supporting the refugees from Venezuela and respecting the sovereignty of Neighbouring countries.
ufo 6y ago
That's just "2nd ammendment" propaganda that he borrowed from the United States. It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/ https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/
- pelasaco 6y ago
  > It's patently clear that he'd go for a totalitarian takeover himself if he could. He just hasn't yet because he did not have the means to do so. if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? Case closed.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > if the democracy there has eroded why he doesn't have the means to do so? What is blocking him to takeover? That his lies have been exposed. Especially regarding the unlawful exclusion of Lua from presidential elections. But he will try again, that's for sure. Do you really think that previous dictatorship happened overnight?
notreallytrue 6y ago
Who is receiving the guns? Mussolini did the same thing, he knew very well guns were not going to opposition but to his supporters that used them to kill or oppress his opponents. The rhetoric of "citizens that simply want to defend themselves" is an empty one.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  Hitler banned Jews from possessing guns in 1938. Russia passed gun control legislation in 1929 coinciding with the beginning of Stalins rule. Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. Cuba's gun laws are classified as highly restrictive. How it looks in Brazil after the decree: "Getting permission to buy a gun in Brazil still requires a lengthy process — including a mental health assessment and a criminal-background check — that can drag on for months. But shooting ranges and gun stores started to see an uptick in business, even before the new rules went into effect." So you can have a gun at home, but no carry is permitted.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > Italy's current gun control laws date to the fascist period, notably the public safety act of 1931. 9 years after Fascism raised to power and abolished democracy in Italy. BTW you are not reading it well, what the Royal Decree No. 773 of 1931 established was that production of arms had to be licensed by the regime and that armed military parade were abolished UNLESS EXPLICITLY AUTHORIZED Guess who gave the authorizations? Exactly! the fascist prefects! After all fascism went to power by marching to Rome in a military armed parade...
    - pelasaco 6y ago
      right, so again, no comparison with Brazil, where the Pandemic hasn't eroded the democracy. There the Senate rejected the decree from Bolsonaro: https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revokes-order-easing-gun-controls https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-brazils-bolsonaro-revok...

pelasaco 6y ago

you are creating a rhetoric that doesn't exist. There are 0 risk to be critics to south american regimes online. Maybe Venezuela? To compare the Brazilian Government with The Nazi Period, you are not making the Brazilian Government look bad, but you are making the Nazi Period look harmless. From my personal life (my family moved from what today is Poland to Brazil, around 40s). Today 80 years after, I feel safe to wear my Kippah in Sao Paulo, but I don't feel safe to do it in Paris or Berlin (city where I studied and lived). Bolsonaro as person and citizen has his opinions and he is really vocative about that (which is bad, and populist), but it doesn't reflect on the Politics being made in the Country. As it should be in a democracy, the personal opinion of a President has almost 0 influence.

notreallytrue 6y ago
> To compare the Brazilian Government with The Nazi Period Never did. I compared the military coups, which Bolsonaro is rooting for, undeniably, to the military government the nazi-fascists had over Germany and Italy and then Europe. They came to power thanks to the military support. As every far right movement usually does. Bolsonaro is praising and rallying for a return of the military dictatorship. He was there, in person, endorsing it. > my family moved from what today is Poland to Brazil, around 40s So did thousands of former SS officials who went to live there after WW2, protected and kept hidden. Including Joseph Mengele. > I feel safe to wear my Kippah in Sao Paulo, but I don't feel safe to do it in Paris or Berlin (city where I studied and lived) Are you sure? https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-as-coronavirus-rages-in-brazil-bolsonaro-s-embrace-of-israel-puts-jews-at-risk-1.8893391 https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-as-coronavirus-r... As much as I respect feelings, they are just feelings. Sao Pauol has a much higher crime rate and 10 to 15 times worse homicide rate than Berlin, you might feel safer, but you are not safer. “I hope God continues to enlighten President Jair Bolsonaro because he has a Jew who is at the head of the Senate at his disadvantage, Jews are miserly. Jews are wicked and think only of their well-being.” Said Bolsonaro's supporters when the first Jewish president of Brazilian Congress was nominated. Have you seen supporters of Merkel or Macron write something like that? Uncondemned? Remember that Bolsonaro in Brazil controls the media, but he cannot hide that under his government > And if two key elements had been missing – anti-Semitism and the use of the state apparatus, especially the police, to stifle the press and persecute political dissenters – and thus prevented us from characterizing Bolsonaro and his gang as fascists once and for all, that is no longer the case. > 1. On its official website and its verified Twitter profile, the Brazilian Army recently honored and treated as a "martyr" Eduard Ernest Thilo Otto Maximilian von Westernhagen, a Nazi major who was decorated by Hitler and killed in Brazil by members of the Colina, a resistance group against the military dictatorship and its state terrorism. > Bolsonaro’s Justice Minister Sérgio Moro – after being unmasked in the conspiracy against former President Lula and Brazilian democracy as a judge of Operation Lava Jato, which was denounced by The Intercept – decided to use the Federal Police to try to intimidate the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, editor of the prestigious news site, and to persecute me over a conspiracy theory. Moro is the same man that presented testimony for interference with justice by Bolsonaro that the president from his social account called "a traitor, a Juda" Moro was chosen by Bolsonaro himself, exactly because he handled the operation "car wash" that illegally put Lula out of the competition. If a man who obstructed justice to stop a former President to run for re-election is saying that the current President is interfering with justice, it is probably worse than we think.