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> I believe EU demands people to be allowed to freely pick their own router. Whatever brand it is and whoever owns it you can put it near your demarcation point

> I believe EU demands people to be allowed to freely pick their own router. Whatever brand it is and whoever owns it you can put it near your demarcation point Do you have a reference for that? I have FTTH in France from SFR and I suspect there's some funny business going on where you have to jump through hoops in order to replace the provided router. Not only won't they provide a DHCP lease if you don't ask with the right options, but lately the dhcp server seems to actually stop providing anything at all once it saw an un recognized request. Support has to intervene to make it work again and the issue doesn't seem common because it usually takes them a week to find out what's up. They would even try replacing the router at your house... Edit: found the EU regulation : https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32015R2120&from=en https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELE... Indeed, it states that the providers should not impose restrictions on the use of terminal equipments, and that users should be free to chose them. (§5 on the second page).

Fnoord 6y ago
Thanks for the link. It is a directive which EU members must implement. The Netherlands is going to implement it in 2021. [1] I am unsure about the deadline for implementation. You can try something like putting your router in bridge mode. For example Ziggo here allows that. KPN already allows free choice of "modem" (read: router). And a Fritz!box can be used as bridge if you use PPPoE client elsewhere. There's even PCI(e) DSL modems. A recent example [2]. [1] https://www.acm.nl/nl/publicaties/acm-consumenten-mogen-eigen-modem-kiezen https://www.acm.nl/nl/publicaties/acm-consumenten-mogen-eige... [2] https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigornic-132 https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigornic-132
- vladvasiliu 6y ago
  I've dug a bit more into this, and apparently the law is not yet in effect in France either, but still being discussed. The curious can track the progress at [0]. Regarding bridge mode, I'm only aware of one ISP in France whose box allows doing that (Free). In my case there's no such option, it can only work as a router. [0] https://www.senat.fr/dossier-legislatif/ppl19-048.html https://www.senat.fr/dossier-legislatif/ppl19-048.html

Fnoord 6y ago

Thanks for the link. It is a directive which EU members must implement. The Netherlands is going to implement it in 2021. [1] I am unsure about the deadline for implementation. You can try something like putting your router in bridge mode. For example Ziggo here allows that. KPN already allows free choice of "modem" (read: router). And a Fritz!box can be used as bridge if you use PPPoE client elsewhere. There's even PCI(e) DSL modems. A recent example [2]. [1] https://www.acm.nl/nl/publicaties/acm-consumenten-mogen-eigen-modem-kiezen https://www.acm.nl/nl/publicaties/acm-consumenten-mogen-eige... [2] https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigornic-132 https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigornic-132

vladvasiliu 6y ago
I've dug a bit more into this, and apparently the law is not yet in effect in France either, but still being discussed. The curious can track the progress at [0]. Regarding bridge mode, I'm only aware of one ISP in France whose box allows doing that (Free). In my case there's no such option, it can only work as a router. [0] https://www.senat.fr/dossier-legislatif/ppl19-048.html https://www.senat.fr/dossier-legislatif/ppl19-048.html