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It's trivial to demonstrate that that claim is false. Someone in this thread linked the page to the "voting" screen. It's just a form to print a new ballot tha

It's trivial to demonstrate that that claim is false. Someone in this thread linked the page to the "voting" screen. It's just a form to print a new ballot that you would then mail or bring in person.

michannne 6y ago
The tweet is wrong yes, but my main point was the fact that requesting a replacement ballot invalidates the previous sent ballot.
- nseggs 6y ago
  Does it?
  - michannne 6y ago
    I'll clarify: using name and DOB allows you to see voter information. This is relatively benign as it is public information. However the site also has the option to request a replacement ballot. When requesting a replacement, the website mentions that if a previous mail-in ballot has not yet been successfully validated, it will be cancelled. My aim is not to spread disinformation here. I have hidden the thread until a reputable source can confirm further as there may be other details I'm missing. This is not about changing votes, but the replacement of a ballot that can be initiated using very little information, and can cause a person's mail-in ballot to be invalidated.
    - evan_ 6y ago
      > However the site also has the option to request a replacement ballot. In Oregon, there is no such option.
      - swhittaker 6y ago
        Here is the specific page that people are somewhat concerned about. I'm a WA voter, but it seems like they use a similar system to OR. When I go to https://voter.votewa.gov/ https://voter.votewa.gov/ and enter my first/last name and DOB, I can go to "My Ballot -> Online Ballot" and it gives the following text: >To print a ballot packet, only click "Continue" if you did not receive your ballot by mail or your ballot is lost or damaged. Continue only if you intend to vote this ballot. >Print both 1) Replacement Ballot and 2) Ballot Return Packet. >To view what's on your ballot, select the voters' guide in the navigation menu. >Frequently asked questions >This site allows you to mark, review, and print your ballot materials for return to your county elections office. >Can I just view my online ballot and then vote the paper ballot coming to me in the mail? >No, the online ballot should only be used if you want to print, vote and return it. Click on Voters' Guide in the >left navigation to see what will be on your ballot and to learn more about the candidates and measures. >I lost my paper ballot, can I print and return this online ballot? >Yes, the online ballot is a great replacement ballot option. When printing make sure to print both the 1) replacement ballot and 2) the ballot packet. Follow the ballot packet instructions and make sure you return your ballot on time – the earlier the better! >Caution: If you continue, a ballot previously mailed to you will be cancelled. It is specifically this phrase Caution: If you continue, a ballot previously mailed to you will be cancelled. that is concerning. It makes one think that if I press the [Continue] button on that page, then the ballot that has already been mailed to me will be automatically canceled. Can you confirm that that is not the case, and if so what is your evidence?
        evan_ 6y ago
        well, I'm only able to speak for Oregon, so I will update my post. I don't know what will happen if you click through. You could try it I guess, apparently 4chan has already cancelled everyone's vote anyway.
        SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
        Oregon aside. This seems really concerning. Can someone explain to me this isn’t really the case? I don’t believe anyone anymore (only like 1/2 hyperbole).
- grimli333 6y ago
  It does not. Also, you can’t even update registration info without an Oregon DMV number. At that point you’re straight up committing identity theft. Even if you could it does not invalidate an already submitted ballot. This is not correct information you are spreading.
thallium205 6y ago
You're right. 1) This only changes a form you can print out, sign and mail in or drop off (they're not checking accuracy of signatures this year) 2) This does reveal lots of PII 3) 4CHAN is now using obituaries to search for dead people who have voted
- evan_ 6y ago
  you can't just drop it off, you have to return it in a certified ballot envelope that has all of your information on it and one-time codes to avoid forgeries. who cares if they're looking at obits, great, that's fine, every political party has lawyers to do that and they're better at it anyway.
  - thallium205 6y ago
    If that's the case why are they offering users the ability to print it out and return it if doing so requires a unique one time ballot envelope?
    - evan_ 6y ago
      Visually impaired voters who can use a screen reader but may have trouble with the paper ballot. Voters with motor issues that make it difficult to fill in a bubble with a pen. Here are the instructions for using the alternate ballot: https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Pages/instructions-disabilities.aspx https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Pages/instructions-disabilitie...
  - thallium205 6y ago
    >This site allows you to mark, review, and print your ballot materials for return to your county elections office. Their FAQ makes no mention of placing it in a ballot envelope. In fact they offer the ability to print your own from the website. Where are you getting that information? It appears one can type in a name and dob, print a ballot, fill it out, and drop it off. What am I missing that is also not in their FAQ?
    - 6y ago

michannne 6y ago

The tweet is wrong yes, but my main point was the fact that requesting a replacement ballot invalidates the previous sent ballot.

nseggs 6y ago
Does it?
- michannne 6y ago
  I'll clarify: using name and DOB allows you to see voter information. This is relatively benign as it is public information. However the site also has the option to request a replacement ballot. When requesting a replacement, the website mentions that if a previous mail-in ballot has not yet been successfully validated, it will be cancelled. My aim is not to spread disinformation here. I have hidden the thread until a reputable source can confirm further as there may be other details I'm missing. This is not about changing votes, but the replacement of a ballot that can be initiated using very little information, and can cause a person's mail-in ballot to be invalidated.
  - evan_ 6y ago
    > However the site also has the option to request a replacement ballot. In Oregon, there is no such option.
    - swhittaker 6y ago
      Here is the specific page that people are somewhat concerned about. I'm a WA voter, but it seems like they use a similar system to OR. When I go to https://voter.votewa.gov/ https://voter.votewa.gov/ and enter my first/last name and DOB, I can go to "My Ballot -> Online Ballot" and it gives the following text: >To print a ballot packet, only click "Continue" if you did not receive your ballot by mail or your ballot is lost or damaged. Continue only if you intend to vote this ballot. >Print both 1) Replacement Ballot and 2) Ballot Return Packet. >To view what's on your ballot, select the voters' guide in the navigation menu. >Frequently asked questions >This site allows you to mark, review, and print your ballot materials for return to your county elections office. >Can I just view my online ballot and then vote the paper ballot coming to me in the mail? >No, the online ballot should only be used if you want to print, vote and return it. Click on Voters' Guide in the >left navigation to see what will be on your ballot and to learn more about the candidates and measures. >I lost my paper ballot, can I print and return this online ballot? >Yes, the online ballot is a great replacement ballot option. When printing make sure to print both the 1) replacement ballot and 2) the ballot packet. Follow the ballot packet instructions and make sure you return your ballot on time – the earlier the better! >Caution: If you continue, a ballot previously mailed to you will be cancelled. It is specifically this phrase Caution: If you continue, a ballot previously mailed to you will be cancelled. that is concerning. It makes one think that if I press the [Continue] button on that page, then the ballot that has already been mailed to me will be automatically canceled. Can you confirm that that is not the case, and if so what is your evidence?
      - evan_ 6y ago
        well, I'm only able to speak for Oregon, so I will update my post. I don't know what will happen if you click through. You could try it I guess, apparently 4chan has already cancelled everyone's vote anyway.
      - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
        Oregon aside. This seems really concerning. Can someone explain to me this isn’t really the case? I don’t believe anyone anymore (only like 1/2 hyperbole).
grimli333 6y ago
It does not. Also, you can’t even update registration info without an Oregon DMV number. At that point you’re straight up committing identity theft. Even if you could it does not invalidate an already submitted ballot. This is not correct information you are spreading.

thallium205 6y ago

You're right. 1) This only changes a form you can print out, sign and mail in or drop off (they're not checking accuracy of signatures this year) 2) This does reveal lots of PII 3) 4CHAN is now using obituaries to search for dead people who have voted

evan_ 6y ago
you can't just drop it off, you have to return it in a certified ballot envelope that has all of your information on it and one-time codes to avoid forgeries. who cares if they're looking at obits, great, that's fine, every political party has lawyers to do that and they're better at it anyway.
- thallium205 6y ago
  If that's the case why are they offering users the ability to print it out and return it if doing so requires a unique one time ballot envelope?
  - evan_ 6y ago
    Visually impaired voters who can use a screen reader but may have trouble with the paper ballot. Voters with motor issues that make it difficult to fill in a bubble with a pen. Here are the instructions for using the alternate ballot: https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Pages/instructions-disabilities.aspx https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Pages/instructions-disabilitie...
- thallium205 6y ago
  >This site allows you to mark, review, and print your ballot materials for return to your county elections office. Their FAQ makes no mention of placing it in a ballot envelope. In fact they offer the ability to print your own from the website. Where are you getting that information? It appears one can type in a name and dob, print a ballot, fill it out, and drop it off. What am I missing that is also not in their FAQ?
  - 6y ago