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Actually no, this isn't voting. It's a sample digital ballot that you have to print out and return in person. I'm honestly surprised this amount of disinformati
by dawnerd 6y ago
Actually no, this isn't voting. It's a sample digital ballot that you have to print out and return in person. I'm honestly surprised this amount of disinformation made it to the HN front page.
Here's the form they think is real: http://oregonvotes.org/pages/ballots/11032020/Washington/34_BallotStyleForPrinting_304-1.html http://oregonvotes.org/pages/ballots/11032020/Washington/34_...
- michannne 6y agoThe tweet does imply voting, but cancelling is possible, this is just the most visible tweet as of right now Ive updated the title to reflect this
- theplague42 6y agoThe tweet does far more than imply. Why are you posting 4Chan garbage to HackerNews? Is this even confirmed?
- arkis22 6y agoIf I had to pit 4chan against HN in a scavenger hunt, I would bet on 4chan. edit: in fact I think this happened. wasnt there an online quiz we lost at a couple years ago?
- michannne 6y agoIf you head to the website and put your name and DOB, the cancellation of your ballot after requesting a replacement is mentioned at the bottom of the page I'll add that anyone can request a replacement, and the cancellation is effective immediately
- theplague42 6y agoCan you actually cancel a ballot through the online portal or not?
- evan_ 6y agoIn Oregon you cannot cancel a ballot through the online portal, or at all
- dawnerd 6y agoWhere on the my vote portal does it let you cancel? Ballots have already been mailed anyways so it's a bit late for anyone to try to change anyones status.
- michannne 6y agoWhen requesting a replacement. I have hidden the thread until the story is confirmed by a reputable news org
- dawnerd 6y agoThat's not a feature. You can't even cancel your registration without contacting the county directly. But keep spreading misinformation.
- michannne 6y ago"But keep spreading misinformation" I've nothing to gain spreading misinformation. As I've said I've hidden the thread until a reputable news org is able to report on this.
- s9w 6y agoYou prefer a third party text that has been through censorship to the direct source?
- evan_ 6y agoIn Oregon there’s not a way to request a replacement ballot. I am looking at the form right now and there is no way to either cancel or request a replacement ballot online. To request a replacement ballot you have to fill out a form and send it to your county clerk, and the form asks you for a lot more info than your DOB. As far as cancelling your vote, when has that EVER been an option and what purpose would it serve?
- guidedprism 6y agoIt wasn't an option, but it happens when you print out the new online ballot. The website has a caution notice about it when you go to print "Caution: If you continue, a ballot previously mailed to you will be canceled"
- grimli333 6y agoI don’t understand. Why would these states allow you to invalidate a ballot online? What’s the legitimate use case for that feature?
- dawnerd 6y agoThey don't.
- grimli333 6y agoWow. This post was dangerous disinformation. I have independently confirmed this is false and ballots cannot be canceled or changed. It is indeed possible to see addresses where ballots were mailed, and I was able to view a politician’s information using only their name and date of birth gleaned from Wikipedia. I’m sure this information can be found in any number of ways, however. There is also a disclaimer stating “ If your information is confidential or you are not yet 18 years old, contact your county elections official to confirm your registration status.” which indicates using that site to register has no implication of privacy.
- s9w 6y ago"4chan is dangerous disinformation", " I have independently confirmed this is false", says the 30 minute old account
- guidedprism 6y agoThey don't have a "cancel ballot" button. When you fill out and print the new online ballot it will cancel any previously sent ballots. They site says "Caution: If you continue, a ballot previously mailed to you will be canceled"
- theplague42 6y agoIt fits the reactionary narrative so I'm not sure why it's surprising.
- arkis22 6y agoit shouldn't fit your narrative either. you believe in free and accurate elections right? I live in Chicago. I find it absolutely absurd that people don't think politicians steal votes.
- theplague42 6y agoI don't see why politicians would bother to create a poorly-designed public-facing website to steal an election.
- arkis22 6y agoare you asking why politicians would bother to steal an election?
- evan_ 6y agowhy would they do it in a way that's easy for other politicians to use
- arkis22 6y agofraud is never an easy tool. it's used when you can get away with it. why is it literally known as the cook county democratic machine without backlash? you're also assuming its easy for other politicians to use. as if counting votes is just the web app...
- theplague42 6y agoGet help
- thallium205 6y ago4chan was able to print Portland's Mayor Ted Wheeler ballot and change his vote to Trump. Go and look it up on the site.
- theplague42 6y agoIt's trivial to demonstrate that that claim is false. Someone in this thread linked the page to the "voting" screen. It's just a form to print a new ballot that you would then mail or bring in person.
- michannne 6y agoThe tweet is wrong yes, but my main point was the fact that requesting a replacement ballot invalidates the previous sent ballot.
- nseggs 6y agoDoes it?
- michannne 6y agoI'll clarify: using name and DOB allows you to see voter information. This is relatively benign as it is public information. However the site also has the option to request a replacement ballot. When requesting a replacement, the website mentions that if a previous mail-in ballot has not yet been successfully validated, it will be cancelled. My aim is not to spread disinformation here. I have hidden the thread until a reputable source can confirm further as there may be other details I'm missing. This is not about changing votes, but the replacement of a ballot that can be initiated using very little information, and can cause a person's mail-in ballot to be invalidated.
- evan_ 6y ago> However the site also has the option to request a replacement ballot. In Oregon, there is no such option.
- Covzire 6y agoI'm not willing to test it myself, but maybe the worst of this is that it seems to allow anyone to look up any Oregon voter's registered mail address if you have their birthday, meaning most famous/public figures in Oregon are at some risk it would seem.
- brayhite 6y agoThis in itself isn’t unusual. Or at least Kentucky’s voter registration tool is the same way.
- grimli333 6y agoYes, this is true. However, it is public information and the site has a disclaimer indicating this. There is an alternate route to register to vote if your information is confidential. It’s trivial to learn this information in other ways as well. It’s somewhat notable how easy it was for me to look up a prominent politicians registration info, but that is simply not news. This post was flagged appropriately.