3 ms·

Have you tried their web client, for those of us who aren't comfortable putting up with Zoom's shenanigans? Pretty much unusable.

by spurgu 6y ago

Sebguer 6y ago
And to that person's point, by using your web client, you are significantly in the minority. Most people are comfortable putting up with Zoom's shenanigans. Whether or not they should be is a completely separate question.
ramraj07 6y ago
Anyone who knows tech reasonably knows Zoom does some "unscrupulous" things to provide a seamless VC experience. To me, it's a bit clear that unless you also control the underlying OS (even when you do apparently), they are doing whatever they need to get what can be considered basic UX needs of a VC app. Contrary to popular belief in places like HN, the average Joe isn't a dipshit, they really don't care about these lapses from Zoom and will very happily make these concessions evenn if they're fully educated on everything to know about security. I'm not a technotard and mostly know everything and I make the concession. It's not even clear to me they're being genuinely unscrupulous anyway. This is like not trusting the government when they do mass surveillance but more benign. The majority of the population has decided they are not worried about it, right or wrong, they just want to get on with their life. Keep complaining for sure, we need dissent, but don't argue that Zoom isn't good at what it does, the only argument might be that it's practices aren't ethical. You choose to use the web application it's your choice not theirs.
AlexCoventry 6y ago
The web client has been pretty seamless, for me.
- spurgu 6y ago
  May I guess you're not using a Mac? For me it's using 100-150% CPU (according to Chrome task manager) and sound stutters constantly. Supposedly it works fine on Windows.
smt88 6y ago
I loathe Zoom, but its web client works as well as its desktop client.
- spurgu 6y ago
  May I guess you're not using a Mac? For me it's using 100-150% CPU (according to Chrome task manager) and sound stutters constantly. Supposedly it works fine on Windows.
  - musicale 6y ago
    I guess you all have partially answered my question: most Zoom users are not using the web client in Chrome or Firefox (it doesn't run at all in Safari) on macOS; as noted above, its poor audio quality and broken features render it essentially unusable. Unfortunately I don't trust Zoom's native app, and I don't want to reboot into Windows, though I guess I could make a "Zoom VM" or something. ;-( Moreover, Zoom-based conferences that I've attended have been plagued by audio issues that have rendered the remote presentations largely unintelligible, even using a Windows client. In any case, I've usually solved the issue by using anything other than Zoom when I have the choice.

Have you tried their web client, for those of us who aren't comfortable putting up with Zoom's shenanigans? Pretty much unusable.

by spurgu 6y ago

Have you tried their web client, for those of us who aren't comfortable putting up with Zoom's shenanigans? Pretty much unusable.

Sebguer 6y ago

And to that person's point, by using your web client, you are significantly in the minority. Most people are comfortable putting up with Zoom's shenanigans. Whether or not they should be is a completely separate question.

ramraj07 6y ago

Anyone who knows tech reasonably knows Zoom does some "unscrupulous" things to provide a seamless VC experience. To me, it's a bit clear that unless you also control the underlying OS (even when you do apparently), they are doing whatever they need to get what can be considered basic UX needs of a VC app. Contrary to popular belief in places like HN, the average Joe isn't a dipshit, they really don't care about these lapses from Zoom and will very happily make these concessions evenn if they're fully educated on everything to know about security. I'm not a technotard and mostly know everything and I make the concession. It's not even clear to me they're being genuinely unscrupulous anyway. This is like not trusting the government when they do mass surveillance but more benign. The majority of the population has decided they are not worried about it, right or wrong, they just want to get on with their life. Keep complaining for sure, we need dissent, but don't argue that Zoom isn't good at what it does, the only argument might be that it's practices aren't ethical. You choose to use the web application it's your choice not theirs.

AlexCoventry 6y ago

The web client has been pretty seamless, for me.

spurgu 6y ago
May I guess you're not using a Mac? For me it's using 100-150% CPU (according to Chrome task manager) and sound stutters constantly. Supposedly it works fine on Windows.

smt88 6y ago

I loathe Zoom, but its web client works as well as its desktop client.

spurgu 6y ago
May I guess you're not using a Mac? For me it's using 100-150% CPU (according to Chrome task manager) and sound stutters constantly. Supposedly it works fine on Windows.
- musicale 6y ago
  I guess you all have partially answered my question: most Zoom users are not using the web client in Chrome or Firefox (it doesn't run at all in Safari) on macOS; as noted above, its poor audio quality and broken features render it essentially unusable. Unfortunately I don't trust Zoom's native app, and I don't want to reboot into Windows, though I guess I could make a "Zoom VM" or something. ;-( Moreover, Zoom-based conferences that I've attended have been plagued by audio issues that have rendered the remote presentations largely unintelligible, even using a Windows client. In any case, I've usually solved the issue by using anything other than Zoom when I have the choice.