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Is this still part of the Bradley Manning leak?

by blhack 15y ago

killerdark 15y ago
I don't think so. Manning leaked cables and somewhat classified documents from/to US embassies. These documents are internal US Department of Defense documents.
- pemulis 15y ago
  He also (allegedly) leaked the Iraq and Afghanistan war documents, including the Collateral Murder video. So, assuming he is a Wikileaks source, he had access to a wide range of DoD files in addition to State Department files. The thing is, Manning didn't go into detail about any Gitmo files when chatting with Adrian Lamo, and, according to the Nation's Wikileaks pointsman Greg Mitchell, there were rumors that Wikileaks had secret Gitmo files before the alleged leaking from Manning took place. http://www.thenation.com/blog/160135/wikileaks-blog-guant%C3%A1namo-files http://www.thenation.com/blog/160135/wikileaks-blog-guant%C3... Remember, too, that Wikileaks released Gitmo's "Camp Delta Standard Operating Procedures" way back in 2007. This leak could have come from anybody at any time. My feeling is that this was probably someone other than Manning, though I obviously don't have any real evidence to support that.
  - fleitz 15y ago
    Remember that Adrian Lamo was on the FBI radar before producing these chat logs, it could well be that he dealt with the FBI by producing chat logs that implicate someone else. It wouldn't exactly be the first time someone has lied to the FBI to get a reduced sentence, or avoid prosecution. We also know that the US gov't engages in torture to extract confessions so you should be skeptical of anything anyone who has been in US custody says. It's not just middle easterners, Canadian citizens have been tortured under US auspices.
    - pemulis 15y ago
      Yeah, that's true. Although I think it's more likely that Lamo would falsify/misrepresent the chat logs because of his sketchy political views or because he lives off of media attention. His public defense of his actions seems too enthusiastic to be coming from someone who made up a story just to avoid jail time. We don't know what other evidence the government has against Manning, if any. If they only have Lamo's chat logs and testimony, that's pretty flimsy. (Not that the government needs evidence of a crime to keep someone in jail indefinitely. You know, see above.)
      - fleitz 15y ago
        And a president that doesn't even need a trial to determine whether or not someone broke the law.
burgerbrain 15y ago
I was wondering that as well. They don't seem to mention, which could be a protective measure in either case (if its not, don't draw attention to the fact that there is another currently not detained leaker; if it is, limit the scope of what we know he leaked (has wikileaks itself ever mentioned Manning?)).
- JeremyBanks 15y ago
  has wikileaks itself ever mentioned Manning They have mentioned him, but they've said that due to the way their system works it is impossible for them to know who their informants are. Therefore their statements are always hedged with things like "the alleged source of such and such".
andrewcooke 15y ago
yes, according to the guardian - The Guantánamo files are among hundreds of thousands of documents US soldier Bradley Manning is accused of having turned over to the WikiLeaks website more than a year ago. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files...

Is this still part of the Bradley Manning leak?

by blhack 15y ago

Is this still part of the Bradley Manning leak?

I don't think so. Manning leaked cables and somewhat classified documents from/to US embassies. These documents are internal US Department of Defense documents.

pemulis 15y ago
He also (allegedly) leaked the Iraq and Afghanistan war documents, including the Collateral Murder video. So, assuming he is a Wikileaks source, he had access to a wide range of DoD files in addition to State Department files. The thing is, Manning didn't go into detail about any Gitmo files when chatting with Adrian Lamo, and, according to the Nation's Wikileaks pointsman Greg Mitchell, there were rumors that Wikileaks had secret Gitmo files before the alleged leaking from Manning took place. http://www.thenation.com/blog/160135/wikileaks-blog-guant%C3%A1namo-files http://www.thenation.com/blog/160135/wikileaks-blog-guant%C3... Remember, too, that Wikileaks released Gitmo's "Camp Delta Standard Operating Procedures" way back in 2007. This leak could have come from anybody at any time. My feeling is that this was probably someone other than Manning, though I obviously don't have any real evidence to support that.
- fleitz 15y ago
  Remember that Adrian Lamo was on the FBI radar before producing these chat logs, it could well be that he dealt with the FBI by producing chat logs that implicate someone else. It wouldn't exactly be the first time someone has lied to the FBI to get a reduced sentence, or avoid prosecution. We also know that the US gov't engages in torture to extract confessions so you should be skeptical of anything anyone who has been in US custody says. It's not just middle easterners, Canadian citizens have been tortured under US auspices.
  - pemulis 15y ago
    Yeah, that's true. Although I think it's more likely that Lamo would falsify/misrepresent the chat logs because of his sketchy political views or because he lives off of media attention. His public defense of his actions seems too enthusiastic to be coming from someone who made up a story just to avoid jail time. We don't know what other evidence the government has against Manning, if any. If they only have Lamo's chat logs and testimony, that's pretty flimsy. (Not that the government needs evidence of a crime to keep someone in jail indefinitely. You know, see above.)
    - fleitz 15y ago
      And a president that doesn't even need a trial to determine whether or not someone broke the law.

burgerbrain 15y ago

I was wondering that as well. They don't seem to mention, which could be a protective measure in either case (if its not, don't draw attention to the fact that there is another currently not detained leaker; if it is, limit the scope of what we know he leaked (has wikileaks itself ever mentioned Manning?)).

JeremyBanks 15y ago
has wikileaks itself ever mentioned Manning They have mentioned him, but they've said that due to the way their system works it is impossible for them to know who their informants are. Therefore their statements are always hedged with things like "the alleged source of such and such".

andrewcooke 15y ago

yes, according to the guardian - The Guantánamo files are among hundreds of thousands of documents US soldier Bradley Manning is accused of having turned over to the WikiLeaks website more than a year ago. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files...