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You're lucky, I tried a "platinum" game that was not just playable, every time I opened the inventory I had a black screen. Known problem, that has no solution.

by Thaxll 6y ago

You're lucky, I tried a "platinum" game that was not just playable, every time I opened the inventory I had a black screen. Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it: - custom config - custom drivers - lot of hacky solutions - compile wine / proton on a "fix" branch If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported.

lmedinas 6y ago
> If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported. sure, i guess the same can be said about WSL on Windows 10 but that does not mean people don't find it useful. The whole point is that Proton is a very welcome addition to Linux due to the lack of native games.
boudin 6y ago
It's not luck, there's a good amount of games that runs perfectly out of the box and it keeps getting better. Yes, it's not perfect, but for me the trade-off is worth it. I much prefer not having to use the native platform and be able to play using the operating system of my choice.
- DavyJones1983 6y ago
  I am sorry but it really depends on the games you are playing. 1) Alt-tab out of a game without the game crashing. 2) Random Stuttering on Framerate. 3) Games crash at random 4) Can't stream games to discord without significant performance drop (I have a 3950X and a 1080Ti and a Unity game is struggling). IME if it is a Unity Game the game will work fine but with significant performance issues. The ProtonDB they have I find to be practically uselss as a lot of games that work "perfectly" don't.
  - rektide 6y ago
    the thing is, it will get better. your post will slowly rot & deprecate & grow wrong, while the parent's hope & optimism will shine through. and perhaps it might be even better than native. perhaps you'll be able to stream faster, load levels faster, run more interesting config than you could before. in my very very humble opinion i recommend a more unlimited perspective. perhaps it will always be a struggle. even if we never make it, i believe it offers diversity & new chances at betterment. that project of betterment is one i for one would have us embark upon.
    - DavyJones1983 6y ago
      All you've just stated is platitudes. Platitudes are for children. It will never be better than native because it is always going through a translation layer, that coupled with streaming not actually working particularly well means that it will not be an option for the vast number of people. What people like yourself don't seem to grok is that a lot of people just want stuff that works and not a work in progress. I wanna relax and blow off some steam when playing games I don't want to have to work out why my game isn't working. All I am giving is my accurate account of my experiences with this technology.
      - rektide 6y ago
        oh I get it I just don't care about those into not caring. i for one see too many interesting promising things as near at hand to let such willful unconcern reduce my gusto. your assumption that the translation layer is all that counts assumes driver parity between os'es. both for 3d & game streaming, there are significant performance and capability differences between os'es. but mostly, long run, i think it's important that the gaming ecosystem remain technically healthy. i see a lot of interest again in cross-platform tech like Vulkan. linux is thankfully in a great position to just run, very well, with modern engines. the long work building & optimizing compatibility systems has, thamlnkfully, given Linux a lot of experience to get fast & otherwise (audio, input, netcode, &c) capable, which all pays off again now that games run natively too. your honest account is welcome. you are free to not care, to assume this would only ever be an ill fit for you. i'm not sure why you'd spend so much effort so loudly making your personal point about your expectations on a day when others are happy & revelling in the ongoing progress & hope & freedom & opening of possibilities that they want to see. it's, again, ok that you are opting out. but a lot of us are excited that cutting edge gaming can & is happening in more diverse places than it used to, & we foresee only better.
  - boudin 6y ago
    protondb is a community project and is not official. It is still a good ressource though, but it's worthwhile to read comments. 1 - I'm actually surprised about that, it's working much better on Linux than when i had windows where it was really often a "crossing fingers experience". Granted, i haven't used windows for years, so i hope it's in a better state now. 2 - i had some suttering when i was using the llvm backend for shaders (i have an amd gpu). Since i switched to ACO (which is the default in mesa now) i just have one games with suttering, Heavy Rain. 3 - The only crashing game i had was C&C, it seems it was more an actual bug of the game, it was fixed after the game was updated, not proton. 4 - don't use discord so can't comment there. I've finished quite a few games using proton/wine and what you describe is definitely not a generality at all (appart from discord which i don't use, so can't comment).
    - DavyJones1983 6y ago
      > protondb is a community project And? The information is incorrect and misleading. It doesn't get a pass because it is a community project. I would rather have no information than incomplete information.
shazow 6y ago
Which platinum game? Which known problem? I wish complaints were less vague, then it wouldn't sound like exaggeration and would be actionable for people who are working on these technologies. For what it's worth, I've played dozens of platinum (and gold, and silver) games since Proton came out with nearly flawless experiences. In many cases, it ran more reliably than Windows.
- Thaxll 6y ago
  Diablo2, a game that is 20yo https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25602 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... the multiplayer just doesn't work: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178
  - justinclift 6y ago
    It's doesn't appear to have an entry on ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 Looking at that WineHQ list, it's kind of interesting. Didn't know that existed. The info on ProtonDB - for other games anyway - seems fairly accurate.
  - rektide 6y ago
    old software, software from a time before, often uses weirder more arcane code paths than modern apps might pick.
- dx87 6y ago
  Valfaris is rated platinum on protondb, and it crashes on launch for me, same with Titan Quest, which is rated gold. Proton has been a godsend for gaming on Linux, but I don't put much stock in protondb beyond checking to see if a game is known to not run at all.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    I hope you reported your experience as well then? This is a user-maintained database, so unless people keep putting in their information, it will not be accurate/complete.
dleslie 6y ago
Windows doesn't even natively support windows games. Go try installing the original Civilization 2, or Rocket Jockey. Both run fine in wine and can run on Windows 10, but not on windows without serious effort.
- DavyJones1983 6y ago
  I dunnot if you are old enough, but generally getting PCs games working at that time was a nightmare. I suspect that it is because it is using ancient version of DirectX/Direct3D. Same thing happens with the classic Resident Evil games.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    I'm old enough to have been excited for the release of DOS 3.3. Configuring autoexec.bat, config.sys, or hand-tuning X timings are fond memories of mine. The reason why I picked those examples is because one is a 16-bit executable, and the other is hardcoded to a specific DirectX version for which Microsoft has _also_ stopped shipping necessary libraries. With PlayOnLinux or Proton it's really not any more or less effort, and they run great on an OS that is overall superior for the sort of user who is _able_ to make those games run.
Fnoord 6y ago
> Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it [..] This is contradicting. I can recommend Lutris for situations like these. It allows you to use a custom config/hacky solution/wine version which works with a certain program.

by Thaxll 6y ago

lmedinas 6y ago

> If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported. sure, i guess the same can be said about WSL on Windows 10 but that does not mean people don't find it useful. The whole point is that Proton is a very welcome addition to Linux due to the lack of native games.

boudin 6y ago

It's not luck, there's a good amount of games that runs perfectly out of the box and it keeps getting better. Yes, it's not perfect, but for me the trade-off is worth it. I much prefer not having to use the native platform and be able to play using the operating system of my choice.

DavyJones1983 6y ago
I am sorry but it really depends on the games you are playing. 1) Alt-tab out of a game without the game crashing. 2) Random Stuttering on Framerate. 3) Games crash at random 4) Can't stream games to discord without significant performance drop (I have a 3950X and a 1080Ti and a Unity game is struggling). IME if it is a Unity Game the game will work fine but with significant performance issues. The ProtonDB they have I find to be practically uselss as a lot of games that work "perfectly" don't.
- rektide 6y ago
  the thing is, it will get better. your post will slowly rot & deprecate & grow wrong, while the parent's hope & optimism will shine through. and perhaps it might be even better than native. perhaps you'll be able to stream faster, load levels faster, run more interesting config than you could before. in my very very humble opinion i recommend a more unlimited perspective. perhaps it will always be a struggle. even if we never make it, i believe it offers diversity & new chances at betterment. that project of betterment is one i for one would have us embark upon.
  - DavyJones1983 6y ago
    All you've just stated is platitudes. Platitudes are for children. It will never be better than native because it is always going through a translation layer, that coupled with streaming not actually working particularly well means that it will not be an option for the vast number of people. What people like yourself don't seem to grok is that a lot of people just want stuff that works and not a work in progress. I wanna relax and blow off some steam when playing games I don't want to have to work out why my game isn't working. All I am giving is my accurate account of my experiences with this technology.
    - rektide 6y ago
      oh I get it I just don't care about those into not caring. i for one see too many interesting promising things as near at hand to let such willful unconcern reduce my gusto. your assumption that the translation layer is all that counts assumes driver parity between os'es. both for 3d & game streaming, there are significant performance and capability differences between os'es. but mostly, long run, i think it's important that the gaming ecosystem remain technically healthy. i see a lot of interest again in cross-platform tech like Vulkan. linux is thankfully in a great position to just run, very well, with modern engines. the long work building & optimizing compatibility systems has, thamlnkfully, given Linux a lot of experience to get fast & otherwise (audio, input, netcode, &c) capable, which all pays off again now that games run natively too. your honest account is welcome. you are free to not care, to assume this would only ever be an ill fit for you. i'm not sure why you'd spend so much effort so loudly making your personal point about your expectations on a day when others are happy & revelling in the ongoing progress & hope & freedom & opening of possibilities that they want to see. it's, again, ok that you are opting out. but a lot of us are excited that cutting edge gaming can & is happening in more diverse places than it used to, & we foresee only better.
- boudin 6y ago
  protondb is a community project and is not official. It is still a good ressource though, but it's worthwhile to read comments. 1 - I'm actually surprised about that, it's working much better on Linux than when i had windows where it was really often a "crossing fingers experience". Granted, i haven't used windows for years, so i hope it's in a better state now. 2 - i had some suttering when i was using the llvm backend for shaders (i have an amd gpu). Since i switched to ACO (which is the default in mesa now) i just have one games with suttering, Heavy Rain. 3 - The only crashing game i had was C&C, it seems it was more an actual bug of the game, it was fixed after the game was updated, not proton. 4 - don't use discord so can't comment there. I've finished quite a few games using proton/wine and what you describe is definitely not a generality at all (appart from discord which i don't use, so can't comment).
  - DavyJones1983 6y ago
    > protondb is a community project And? The information is incorrect and misleading. It doesn't get a pass because it is a community project. I would rather have no information than incomplete information.

shazow 6y ago

Which platinum game? Which known problem? I wish complaints were less vague, then it wouldn't sound like exaggeration and would be actionable for people who are working on these technologies. For what it's worth, I've played dozens of platinum (and gold, and silver) games since Proton came out with nearly flawless experiences. In many cases, it ran more reliably than Windows.

Thaxll 6y ago
Diablo2, a game that is 20yo https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25602 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... the multiplayer just doesn't work: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178
- justinclift 6y ago
  It's doesn't appear to have an entry on ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 Looking at that WineHQ list, it's kind of interesting. Didn't know that existed. The info on ProtonDB - for other games anyway - seems fairly accurate.
- rektide 6y ago
  old software, software from a time before, often uses weirder more arcane code paths than modern apps might pick.
dx87 6y ago
Valfaris is rated platinum on protondb, and it crashes on launch for me, same with Titan Quest, which is rated gold. Proton has been a godsend for gaming on Linux, but I don't put much stock in protondb beyond checking to see if a game is known to not run at all.
- viraptor 6y ago
  I hope you reported your experience as well then? This is a user-maintained database, so unless people keep putting in their information, it will not be accurate/complete.

dleslie 6y ago

Windows doesn't even natively support windows games. Go try installing the original Civilization 2, or Rocket Jockey. Both run fine in wine and can run on Windows 10, but not on windows without serious effort.

DavyJones1983 6y ago
I dunnot if you are old enough, but generally getting PCs games working at that time was a nightmare. I suspect that it is because it is using ancient version of DirectX/Direct3D. Same thing happens with the classic Resident Evil games.
- dleslie 6y ago
  I'm old enough to have been excited for the release of DOS 3.3. Configuring autoexec.bat, config.sys, or hand-tuning X timings are fond memories of mine. The reason why I picked those examples is because one is a 16-bit executable, and the other is hardcoded to a specific DirectX version for which Microsoft has _also_ stopped shipping necessary libraries. With PlayOnLinux or Proton it's really not any more or less effort, and they run great on an OS that is overall superior for the sort of user who is _able_ to make those games run.

Fnoord 6y ago

> Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it [..] This is contradicting. I can recommend Lutris for situations like these. It allows you to use a custom config/hacky solution/wine version which works with a certain program.