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short story: I installed recently Linux (on Dual Boot) on my main Desktop at home after 8y of not using Linux as Desktop. Yesterday i boot up my Majaro with i3

short story: I installed recently Linux (on Dual Boot) on my main Desktop at home after 8y of not using Linux as Desktop. Yesterday i boot up my Majaro with i3, installed the latest Proton on Steam and decided to install Path of Exile. The results are, for me, very surprising how good was the experience: - Started Steam. Set Proton version to 5.13-1. - Install Path of Exile. Install went really fast compared to my Windows 10. Im using both on SSD, Windows NTFS and Linux Btrfs. - Started Path of exile. Put settings on high/ultra and set graphics backend to Vulkan. I have a RTX 2080S with a 6700K im sure PoE can run on high/ultra. - Restarted. Played for like 1h between 150-200 fps without any glitch or anything i could say its worse than Windows. - During this time i had Discord on background, Firefox, Terminals and was able to switch workspaces without any issue with i3. I'm really surprised how smooth the experience was. I have really to give kudos to the Team working on Proton and Steam for this nice "Desktop" experience. Plus it seems from my Steam library, apart from some MP games that have anti-cheat, it seems most of the games are playable and classified as gold or platinum. I really recommend to anyone not playing competitive MP games to give Linux a try with Steam. Well done! https://www.protondb.com/ https://www.protondb.com/

Thaxll 6y ago
You're lucky, I tried a "platinum" game that was not just playable, every time I opened the inventory I had a black screen. Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it: - custom config - custom drivers - lot of hacky solutions - compile wine / proton on a "fix" branch If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported.
- lmedinas 6y ago
  > If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported. sure, i guess the same can be said about WSL on Windows 10 but that does not mean people don't find it useful. The whole point is that Proton is a very welcome addition to Linux due to the lack of native games.
- boudin 6y ago
  It's not luck, there's a good amount of games that runs perfectly out of the box and it keeps getting better. Yes, it's not perfect, but for me the trade-off is worth it. I much prefer not having to use the native platform and be able to play using the operating system of my choice.
  - DavyJones1983 6y ago
    I am sorry but it really depends on the games you are playing. 1) Alt-tab out of a game without the game crashing. 2) Random Stuttering on Framerate. 3) Games crash at random 4) Can't stream games to discord without significant performance drop (I have a 3950X and a 1080Ti and a Unity game is struggling). IME if it is a Unity Game the game will work fine but with significant performance issues. The ProtonDB they have I find to be practically uselss as a lot of games that work "perfectly" don't.
    - rektide 6y ago
      the thing is, it will get better. your post will slowly rot & deprecate & grow wrong, while the parent's hope & optimism will shine through. and perhaps it might be even better than native. perhaps you'll be able to stream faster, load levels faster, run more interesting config than you could before. in my very very humble opinion i recommend a more unlimited perspective. perhaps it will always be a struggle. even if we never make it, i believe it offers diversity & new chances at betterment. that project of betterment is one i for one would have us embark upon.
      - DavyJones1983 6y ago
        All you've just stated is platitudes. Platitudes are for children. It will never be better than native because it is always going through a translation layer, that coupled with streaming not actually working particularly well means that it will not be an option for the vast number of people. What people like yourself don't seem to grok is that a lot of people just want stuff that works and not a work in progress. I wanna relax and blow off some steam when playing games I don't want to have to work out why my game isn't working. All I am giving is my accurate account of my experiences with this technology.
- shazow 6y ago
  Which platinum game? Which known problem? I wish complaints were less vague, then it wouldn't sound like exaggeration and would be actionable for people who are working on these technologies. For what it's worth, I've played dozens of platinum (and gold, and silver) games since Proton came out with nearly flawless experiences. In many cases, it ran more reliably than Windows.
  - Thaxll 6y ago
    Diablo2, a game that is 20yo https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25602 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... the multiplayer just doesn't work: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178
    - justinclift 6y ago
      It's doesn't appear to have an entry on ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 Looking at that WineHQ list, it's kind of interesting. Didn't know that existed. The info on ProtonDB - for other games anyway - seems fairly accurate.
    - rektide 6y ago
      old software, software from a time before, often uses weirder more arcane code paths than modern apps might pick.
  - dx87 6y ago
    Valfaris is rated platinum on protondb, and it crashes on launch for me, same with Titan Quest, which is rated gold. Proton has been a godsend for gaming on Linux, but I don't put much stock in protondb beyond checking to see if a game is known to not run at all.
    - viraptor 6y ago
      I hope you reported your experience as well then? This is a user-maintained database, so unless people keep putting in their information, it will not be accurate/complete.
- dleslie 6y ago
  Windows doesn't even natively support windows games. Go try installing the original Civilization 2, or Rocket Jockey. Both run fine in wine and can run on Windows 10, but not on windows without serious effort.
  - DavyJones1983 6y ago
    I dunnot if you are old enough, but generally getting PCs games working at that time was a nightmare. I suspect that it is because it is using ancient version of DirectX/Direct3D. Same thing happens with the classic Resident Evil games.
    - dleslie 6y ago
      I'm old enough to have been excited for the release of DOS 3.3. Configuring autoexec.bat, config.sys, or hand-tuning X timings are fond memories of mine. The reason why I picked those examples is because one is a 16-bit executable, and the other is hardcoded to a specific DirectX version for which Microsoft has _also_ stopped shipping necessary libraries. With PlayOnLinux or Proton it's really not any more or less effort, and they run great on an OS that is overall superior for the sort of user who is _able_ to make those games run.
- Fnoord 6y ago
  > Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it [..] This is contradicting. I can recommend Lutris for situations like these. It allows you to use a custom config/hacky solution/wine version which works with a certain program.
BearOso 6y ago
Path of Exile was actually broken a few weeks ago and required a third-party Proton build to work. It was sheer luck that Proton 5.13 came out just in time for you to try it.

Thaxll 6y ago

You're lucky, I tried a "platinum" game that was not just playable, every time I opened the inventory I had a black screen. Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it: - custom config - custom drivers - lot of hacky solutions - compile wine / proton on a "fix" branch If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported.

lmedinas 6y ago
> If you want to play just use the native platform the game was built for, Linux will never be like Windows until the games are natively supported. sure, i guess the same can be said about WSL on Windows 10 but that does not mean people don't find it useful. The whole point is that Proton is a very welcome addition to Linux due to the lack of native games.
boudin 6y ago
It's not luck, there's a good amount of games that runs perfectly out of the box and it keeps getting better. Yes, it's not perfect, but for me the trade-off is worth it. I much prefer not having to use the native platform and be able to play using the operating system of my choice.
- DavyJones1983 6y ago
  I am sorry but it really depends on the games you are playing. 1) Alt-tab out of a game without the game crashing. 2) Random Stuttering on Framerate. 3) Games crash at random 4) Can't stream games to discord without significant performance drop (I have a 3950X and a 1080Ti and a Unity game is struggling). IME if it is a Unity Game the game will work fine but with significant performance issues. The ProtonDB they have I find to be practically uselss as a lot of games that work "perfectly" don't.
  - rektide 6y ago
    the thing is, it will get better. your post will slowly rot & deprecate & grow wrong, while the parent's hope & optimism will shine through. and perhaps it might be even better than native. perhaps you'll be able to stream faster, load levels faster, run more interesting config than you could before. in my very very humble opinion i recommend a more unlimited perspective. perhaps it will always be a struggle. even if we never make it, i believe it offers diversity & new chances at betterment. that project of betterment is one i for one would have us embark upon.
    - DavyJones1983 6y ago
      All you've just stated is platitudes. Platitudes are for children. It will never be better than native because it is always going through a translation layer, that coupled with streaming not actually working particularly well means that it will not be an option for the vast number of people. What people like yourself don't seem to grok is that a lot of people just want stuff that works and not a work in progress. I wanna relax and blow off some steam when playing games I don't want to have to work out why my game isn't working. All I am giving is my accurate account of my experiences with this technology.
shazow 6y ago
Which platinum game? Which known problem? I wish complaints were less vague, then it wouldn't sound like exaggeration and would be actionable for people who are working on these technologies. For what it's worth, I've played dozens of platinum (and gold, and silver) games since Proton came out with nearly flawless experiences. In many cases, it ran more reliably than Windows.
- Thaxll 6y ago
  Diablo2, a game that is 20yo https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25602 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... the multiplayer just doesn't work: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44178
  - justinclift 6y ago
    It's doesn't appear to have an entry on ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 https://www.protondb.com/search?q=diablo%202 Looking at that WineHQ list, it's kind of interesting. Didn't know that existed. The info on ProtonDB - for other games anyway - seems fairly accurate.
  - rektide 6y ago
    old software, software from a time before, often uses weirder more arcane code paths than modern apps might pick.
- dx87 6y ago
  Valfaris is rated platinum on protondb, and it crashes on launch for me, same with Titan Quest, which is rated gold. Proton has been a godsend for gaming on Linux, but I don't put much stock in protondb beyond checking to see if a game is known to not run at all.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    I hope you reported your experience as well then? This is a user-maintained database, so unless people keep putting in their information, it will not be accurate/complete.
dleslie 6y ago
Windows doesn't even natively support windows games. Go try installing the original Civilization 2, or Rocket Jockey. Both run fine in wine and can run on Windows 10, but not on windows without serious effort.
- DavyJones1983 6y ago
  I dunnot if you are old enough, but generally getting PCs games working at that time was a nightmare. I suspect that it is because it is using ancient version of DirectX/Direct3D. Same thing happens with the classic Resident Evil games.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    I'm old enough to have been excited for the release of DOS 3.3. Configuring autoexec.bat, config.sys, or hand-tuning X timings are fond memories of mine. The reason why I picked those examples is because one is a 16-bit executable, and the other is hardcoded to a specific DirectX version for which Microsoft has _also_ stopped shipping necessary libraries. With PlayOnLinux or Proton it's really not any more or less effort, and they run great on an OS that is overall superior for the sort of user who is _able_ to make those games run.
Fnoord 6y ago
> Known problem, that has no solution. Then if you want to fix it [..] This is contradicting. I can recommend Lutris for situations like these. It allows you to use a custom config/hacky solution/wine version which works with a certain program.

BearOso 6y ago

Path of Exile was actually broken a few weeks ago and required a third-party Proton build to work. It was sheer luck that Proton 5.13 came out just in time for you to try it.