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...which is exactly what a manufacturer would do if they were sued. what you are describing is a problem with the legal system and not with repairing our on pr

...which is exactly what a manufacturer would do if they were sued. what you are describing is a problem with the legal system and not with repairing our on property.

zepto 6y ago
That depends on what you mean by ‘right to repair’. If you are only talking about banning terms and conditions that forbid repairs or modifications, then I agree. If you are talking about banning design choices, then clearly we are not just talking about repairing our own property.
shagie 6y ago
Which is kind of interesting - because farm equipment doesn't have that sort of protection. Product Liability in the Farm Equipment Industry - https://youtu.be/NdN577BbnSY?t=1166 https://youtu.be/NdN577BbnSY?t=1166 Also: https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/agriculturallaw/2019/05/product-liability-down-on-the-farm-modifications.html https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/agriculturallaw/2019/05/pr... > When purchased equipment is altered, the manufacturer is generally released from liability unless the manufacturer could have reasonably foreseen that purchasers would alter the equipment in the manner that resulted in injury. So if you could have modified a tractor in a way that was not obviously bad and the manufacturer didn't try to stop you from doing it, the manufacturer could still be liable. Is it reasonable to believe that if the purchaser has the ability to modify the software, they will? If so, how does one rewrite the liability laws for farm equipment? And while physical modifications may reduce manufacturer liability - what about software? And the ability to reset the software so that evidence of the changes are no longer present? There's a challenge with the law for repair and liability for farm equipment that needs to be reconciled. That liability issue doesn't exist for other domains (modifying a personal computing device). You aren't likely to find a $6M claim against Apple for ripping someone's arm off - that is an issue with farm equipment.

...which is exactly what a manufacturer would do if they were sued. what you are describing is a problem with the legal system and not with repairing our on property.

zepto 6y ago

That depends on what you mean by ‘right to repair’. If you are only talking about banning terms and conditions that forbid repairs or modifications, then I agree. If you are talking about banning design choices, then clearly we are not just talking about repairing our own property.

shagie 6y ago

Which is kind of interesting - because farm equipment doesn't have that sort of protection. Product Liability in the Farm Equipment Industry - https://youtu.be/NdN577BbnSY?t=1166 https://youtu.be/NdN577BbnSY?t=1166 Also: https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/agriculturallaw/2019/05/product-liability-down-on-the-farm-modifications.html https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/agriculturallaw/2019/05/pr... > When purchased equipment is altered, the manufacturer is generally released from liability unless the manufacturer could have reasonably foreseen that purchasers would alter the equipment in the manner that resulted in injury. So if you could have modified a tractor in a way that was not obviously bad and the manufacturer didn't try to stop you from doing it, the manufacturer could still be liable. Is it reasonable to believe that if the purchaser has the ability to modify the software, they will? If so, how does one rewrite the liability laws for farm equipment? And while physical modifications may reduce manufacturer liability - what about software? And the ability to reset the software so that evidence of the changes are no longer present? There's a challenge with the law for repair and liability for farm equipment that needs to be reconciled. That liability issue doesn't exist for other domains (modifying a personal computing device). You aren't likely to find a $6M claim against Apple for ripping someone's arm off - that is an issue with farm equipment.