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The Netherlands (where I'm from) aimed for herd immunity in the beginning of the pandemic. So no strict measures just enough to make sure our health care isn't
by WildGreenLeave 6y ago
The Netherlands (where I'm from) aimed for herd immunity in the beginning of the pandemic. So no strict measures just enough to make sure our health care isn't overrun. This was perfectly fine in the first few months, now they are still doing the same measurements (no real lockdown or any strict measures) while our health care is being overrun because of a 2nd wave. This time herd immunity is nowhere to be found.
I can only imagine that NZ is indeed sitting this out till a vaccine is available, because if countries that had herd immunity as a goal in the first place to not have that goal anymore, it probably means it isn't feasible.
That being said, I don't see how _any_ country is able to do anything other than sit this out. Everyone in the US, NL, even DE (which is doing okay in Europe) or NZ and TH (with no local infections) cannot do anything else than to wait for a vaccine to be available or before we just accept this as a reasonable risk.
Personally I think accepting the risk is the most likely situation. I do not have much confidence in a good vaccine being available in 2021, personally I'll get back on the plane in 2021 and just accept the risk. I als know that this is something a lot of people will not accept, but we cannot lock up the world economy for a few years for a virus where the fatality rate for healthy people is so low.
- eganist 6y ago> That being said, I don't see how _any_ country is able to do anything other than sit this out. Everyone in the US, NL, even DE (which is doing okay in Europe) or NZ and TH (with no local infections) cannot do anything else than to wait for a vaccine to be available or before we just accept this as a reasonable risk. Tactical lockdowns with a strategic approach of maintaining rapidly escalating procedures on a hair trigger is the approach NZ's been taking, and thus far, it's afforded them a much better quality of life compared to the rest of the world. It's whack-a-mole, but shit, it's cheaper and more effective than whatever it is we're doing in the US.
- ketamine__ 6y agoI spent several months in the Netherlands during the pandemic. It was great. Walking around without a mask is underrated now I suppose.
- 8note 6y ago> personally I'll get back on the plane in 2021 and just make everyone else accept the risk. FTFY
- gotoeleven 6y agoYeah typically when you fly on a plane the rest of the passengers were forced onto the plane by proud boys.
- 8note 6y agoYou have to get off the plane at some point, and then you're around people who did not get on the plane
- aquadrop 6y agoWhy do you say that now in 2nd wave health care is being overrun? Amount of cases is much higher, but amount of deaths and hospitalizations is much lower.
- rasz 6y agoNumber of deaths and hospitalizations is much lower because they arranged for the elderly and weak to die first, same way Cuomo send confirmed Covid cases back to nursing homes https://eu.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2020/06/23/cuomo-sending-covid-19-patients-nursing-homes-no-wasnt-mistake/3243385001/ https://eu.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/alba...