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How about we build a village somewhere in NZ or elsewhere with very strict rules for every new person who arrives. Like bringing a negative test and self isolat

How about we build a village somewhere in NZ or elsewhere with very strict rules for every new person who arrives. Like bringing a negative test and self isolating for 14 days. Then slowly grow this village this way and celebrate life without masks and social distancing. Of course, there would be a Covid outbreak at some point in time. Would that be the end of paradise or might there be a way to get back to zero infections? 14 days of full isolation of a whole village seems like something that might be possible. What do the digital nomads among you think about this?

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Procrastes 6y ago
To celebrate, there should probably be some sort of dance or ball. It's coming up on Halloween; it could be a masquerade[1]! What could go wrong? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death
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bradlys 6y ago
Having to hole up for 2 weeks after you go anywhere outside the village is a high cost. Unless all your friends and family move into this village, the gains are pretty low...
- lostlogin 6y ago
  The gains seem pretty good from here on the inside. Overseas travel is possible, but no thank you. Domestic travel is up among many people I know and there are nice places to go.
  - bradlys 6y ago
    Right but all your friends and family likely live in the village. That's my point. Reframe it to literally moving to a village of 1,000 people that are all random folks. You wouldn't move to that village unless you were a loner.
olliej 6y ago
NZ already goes without masks because they realized that a short but complete lockdown would result in much less death, and because of the ability to reopen completely, less long term economic harm.
throwaheyy 6y ago
NZ is already reopened (internally, not to foreign travel) without masks or social distancing. They also reopened travel with most states of Australia. The population got on board with the lockdown so it was short and effective. The US efforts in that regard are ineffectual so the half-assed lockdown and mask wearing will need to continue indefinitely until there is a vaccine, which is the only hope left.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > The US efforts in that regard are ineffectual so the half-assed lockdown and mask wearing will need continue indefinitely until there is a vaccine, which is the only hope left. - The US received 100,000 airline passengers per week from Wuhan and Shanghai, and pax kept arriving after the travel ban via Africa and Canada afterwards - the CDC initially provided non-working test kits for weeks - the CDC and China should have started work on the vaccine after SARS-1 in 2003 - the US has 50 states and thus decentralized mgmt. - the only hope for the US is herd immunity, so hug a stranger today!
- repsilat 6y ago
  > it was short and effective This raises some questions about the flu though, right? The COVID lockdown effect mostly stopped the virus getting a toehold in the country. Does this imply that the flu is mostly imported too? Maybe the short, sharp lockdown did stop the flu, but it feels more plausible to me that the ongoing severe border controls are what's keeping it down while the country more or less goes about life as normal.
  - throwaheyy 6y ago
    The border controls and quarantine stopped importation to the community, the lockdown on gatherings stopped transmission within the community. Both measures together likely stopped the flu just as they stopped the coronavirus. Keep in mind that both the flu and Covid are transmitted in the same way, respiratorily, but the flu is much less contagious, so eliminating transmission of the coronavirus is almost certainly also going to eliminate transmission of the flu. Australia saw a similar effect, the flu season in NSW was one tenth of what it normally is.
jonas21 6y ago
This village already exists. It's called all of New Zealand and has around 5 million people living in it.

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Procrastes 6y ago

To celebrate, there should probably be some sort of dance or ball. It's coming up on Halloween; it could be a masquerade[1]! What could go wrong? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death

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bradlys 6y ago

Having to hole up for 2 weeks after you go anywhere outside the village is a high cost. Unless all your friends and family move into this village, the gains are pretty low...

lostlogin 6y ago
The gains seem pretty good from here on the inside. Overseas travel is possible, but no thank you. Domestic travel is up among many people I know and there are nice places to go.
- bradlys 6y ago
  Right but all your friends and family likely live in the village. That's my point. Reframe it to literally moving to a village of 1,000 people that are all random folks. You wouldn't move to that village unless you were a loner.

olliej 6y ago

NZ already goes without masks because they realized that a short but complete lockdown would result in much less death, and because of the ability to reopen completely, less long term economic harm.

throwaheyy 6y ago

NZ is already reopened (internally, not to foreign travel) without masks or social distancing. They also reopened travel with most states of Australia. The population got on board with the lockdown so it was short and effective. The US efforts in that regard are ineffectual so the half-assed lockdown and mask wearing will need to continue indefinitely until there is a vaccine, which is the only hope left.

redis_mlc 6y ago
> The US efforts in that regard are ineffectual so the half-assed lockdown and mask wearing will need continue indefinitely until there is a vaccine, which is the only hope left. - The US received 100,000 airline passengers per week from Wuhan and Shanghai, and pax kept arriving after the travel ban via Africa and Canada afterwards - the CDC initially provided non-working test kits for weeks - the CDC and China should have started work on the vaccine after SARS-1 in 2003 - the US has 50 states and thus decentralized mgmt. - the only hope for the US is herd immunity, so hug a stranger today!
repsilat 6y ago
> it was short and effective This raises some questions about the flu though, right? The COVID lockdown effect mostly stopped the virus getting a toehold in the country. Does this imply that the flu is mostly imported too? Maybe the short, sharp lockdown did stop the flu, but it feels more plausible to me that the ongoing severe border controls are what's keeping it down while the country more or less goes about life as normal.
- throwaheyy 6y ago
  The border controls and quarantine stopped importation to the community, the lockdown on gatherings stopped transmission within the community. Both measures together likely stopped the flu just as they stopped the coronavirus. Keep in mind that both the flu and Covid are transmitted in the same way, respiratorily, but the flu is much less contagious, so eliminating transmission of the coronavirus is almost certainly also going to eliminate transmission of the flu. Australia saw a similar effect, the flu season in NSW was one tenth of what it normally is.

jonas21 6y ago

This village already exists. It's called all of New Zealand and has around 5 million people living in it.