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There is no conspiracy against Tesla. People here pretty much universally love new great tech. Extremely few people here work at Tesla competitors. I think mos

by tpmx 6y ago

There is no conspiracy against Tesla. People here pretty much universally love new great tech. Extremely few people here work at Tesla competitors. I think most of us are just tired of the endless cycle of hype/lies/exaggerations.

martythemaniak 6y ago
An echo chamber is not a conspiracy. It's just an echo chamber.
- tpmx 6y ago
  For me HN isn't a Tesla echo chamber. I very rarely read about Tesla stuff here. I follow r/RealTesla because I want to follow the company's progress. There's a much higher signal/noise ratio there than in the official subreddit, at least so far. (I also follow r/spacex - pretty high SNR too.)
  - reitzensteinm 6y ago
    Real Tesla is an actual legit anti Tesla echo chamber though, just what parent imagines HN to be. It's probably not a bad place to find varied news stories but you definitely run the risk of subconsciously absorbing the bias.
jsight 6y ago
> There is no conspiracy against Tesla Anyone who thinks this didn't follow the whole (now largely extinct) tslaq mess. The websites coordinating things were in plain view. Even today there are public attacks on Tesla and others: https://antiadvertisingadvertising.club/ https://antiadvertisingadvertising.club/ I don't think its the cause of negative comments on Hacker News, though, tbh.
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  People haven't stopped shorting Tesla. Its value is predicated on full autonomy and they're nowhere near that. Also, shorting and sharing critical news is not a conspiracy, it's how a healthy market functions. If Elon or his fans were confident in the company's long term value they would simply buy more when people short it, not complain about the shorts.
  - jsight 6y ago
    I said nothing about "shorts". I really don't know the motivation of the people that I referenced, I only see their activities. Obviously "shorts" still exist, with current valuations one would expect plenty of potential profits for them.
    - unityByFreedom 6y ago
      You mentioned TESLAQ, whose messaging was "funded by shorts" according to many Tesla fans. Are you arguing they're not connected or do you not know much about fans' criticisms?

by tpmx 6y ago

martythemaniak 6y ago

An echo chamber is not a conspiracy. It's just an echo chamber.

tpmx 6y ago
For me HN isn't a Tesla echo chamber. I very rarely read about Tesla stuff here. I follow r/RealTesla because I want to follow the company's progress. There's a much higher signal/noise ratio there than in the official subreddit, at least so far. (I also follow r/spacex - pretty high SNR too.)
- reitzensteinm 6y ago
  Real Tesla is an actual legit anti Tesla echo chamber though, just what parent imagines HN to be. It's probably not a bad place to find varied news stories but you definitely run the risk of subconsciously absorbing the bias.

jsight 6y ago

> There is no conspiracy against Tesla Anyone who thinks this didn't follow the whole (now largely extinct) tslaq mess. The websites coordinating things were in plain view. Even today there are public attacks on Tesla and others: https://antiadvertisingadvertising.club/ https://antiadvertisingadvertising.club/ I don't think its the cause of negative comments on Hacker News, though, tbh.

unityByFreedom 6y ago
People haven't stopped shorting Tesla. Its value is predicated on full autonomy and they're nowhere near that. Also, shorting and sharing critical news is not a conspiracy, it's how a healthy market functions. If Elon or his fans were confident in the company's long term value they would simply buy more when people short it, not complain about the shorts.
- jsight 6y ago
  I said nothing about "shorts". I really don't know the motivation of the people that I referenced, I only see their activities. Obviously "shorts" still exist, with current valuations one would expect plenty of potential profits for them.
  - unityByFreedom 6y ago
    You mentioned TESLAQ, whose messaging was "funded by shorts" according to many Tesla fans. Are you arguing they're not connected or do you not know much about fans' criticisms?