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I'll buy one of these. Not because of the CPU -- despite of that. Ryzen would be great but there's no thin&light Ryzen laptop with great screen and great build.

I'll buy one of these. Not because of the CPU -- despite of that. Ryzen would be great but there's no thin&light Ryzen laptop with great screen and great build. Not sure why. However, apart from the performance disadvantage (that's not extremely serious), the 9310 is a great package overall (or at least I can't find anything more compelling on the market with good battery life, good screen, good docking story (TB), good keyboard, good build).

wonnage 6y ago
There's the Thinkpad T14s. I think the screen is worse and you miss out on an easily-accessible SD card reader, but I think Lenovo tends to be more reliable than Dell build quality-wise.
- ankushnarula 6y ago
  Thinkpad T14 Ryzen also has 400 and 500 nit build-to-order screen options.
  - cehrlich 6y ago
    The 400 nit panel has ridiculous amounts of ghosting (to the point where you can see it just by moving the mouse pointer), and the 500 nit panel is a “privacy” option which means worse than TN viewing angles. Unfortunately Lenovo is currently limiting the good screen to Intel for whatever reason.
    - hackerfromthefu 6y ago
      Yup .. I was seriously considering buying one except for the ridiculous screen options! The x13 has an almost acceptable screen but non-touch, and single channel ram issues if I remember right. There just doesn't seem to be a really good ryzen laptop on the market. I'm vaguely hoping the MS surface laptop 4 releases with a nice surprise of reduced bezels and two pcie ssd slots!
      - imhoguy 6y ago
        If you are not pressured to buy now I would advise to wait until the next year where Ryzen laptops with USB4/TB4 will hit the market.
      - cehrlich 6y ago
        The Yoga Slim 7 Pro looks great and has a color accurate retina-level display, but it seems impossible to actually buy one.
        hackerfromthefu 6y ago
        Yes, it's on my radar! I believe it's not released yet and likely to be early next year.
- sz4kerto 6y ago
  I wanted that. I actually ordered it in August, then I have cancelled it recently as the shipping date kept shifting (last info was November). T14s AMD looked very good compared to the 9300 in August, but it doesn't look _that_ good in December.
  - imhoguy 6y ago
    T14 (not T14s) still available, about 2 weeks wait time in EU.
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krimeo 6y ago
Did they really fix the power management problems? I would be very careful running Linux on Intel laptops these days. Very happy with Ryzen.
vetinari 6y ago
There's going to be Thinkpad X1 Nano this December, it also looks very interesting.
- kristianp 6y ago
  The X1 carbon is lighter than the xps 13, due to not having a metal shell. I think 14 inch screen is small enough, that's just my preference of course.
rwmj 6y ago
HP Envy x360 is great. It has a 6 (real) core AMD Ryzen 5 4500U, nice screen and absurd battery life (12 hours or something ridiculously long like that). https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/amd-zen-2-laptop/ https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/amd-zen-2-laptop/ The single thing I don't like about it is they've overloaded the backslash/pipe key on to another key.
- sz4kerto 6y ago
  I don't want to buy an expensive laptop with only 16G RAM.
  - kzrdude 6y ago
    Why not? The only thing that really eats ram is chrome tabs
    - d12345m 6y ago
      I function in a data analysis role and the only place I typically get to crunch number is my own laptop. Running a Docker container for SQL Server and doing some work with pandas will eat up my 16gb pretty easily.
    - imhoguy 6y ago
      I know that was trolling :) But let me answer you: 32GB+ RAM on laptop lets me run complete micro-services production-like environment (Java, VM, Docker) locally with efficient development/debug capabilities. And that is at any place where I can get electricity and LTE/4G/3G which is enough to git pull/push or check on-line docs few times a day.
      - kzrdude 6y ago
        Unintentional trolling I guess. I'm just ignorant of what people use the RAM for, and reluctant to accept that our apps need this much.
  - imhoguy 6y ago
mgraupner 6y ago
Is the Huawei Matebook AMD edition available in your country? They are available with Ryzen processors and even better screens with a 3:2 display ratio.
- sz4kerto 6y ago
  They are, but the Matebook D's build quality is very far from e.g. the Matebook Pro. :(
ralala 6y ago
There are currently very serious issues with the wd19tb docking station. https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9300-and-WD19TB-linux-problem/td-p/7644488 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9300-and-WD19TB-li... This leads to random black external screens and network/usb disconnects. It is so unreliable that I stopped using it for real time communication. (Note: I have the xps 13 2-in1 2019 laptop, i7-1065G7)
tbrock 6y ago
I’d wait for the X1 nano. Same thing but better quality.

wonnage 6y ago

There's the Thinkpad T14s. I think the screen is worse and you miss out on an easily-accessible SD card reader, but I think Lenovo tends to be more reliable than Dell build quality-wise.

ankushnarula 6y ago
Thinkpad T14 Ryzen also has 400 and 500 nit build-to-order screen options.
- cehrlich 6y ago
  The 400 nit panel has ridiculous amounts of ghosting (to the point where you can see it just by moving the mouse pointer), and the 500 nit panel is a “privacy” option which means worse than TN viewing angles. Unfortunately Lenovo is currently limiting the good screen to Intel for whatever reason.
  - hackerfromthefu 6y ago
    Yup .. I was seriously considering buying one except for the ridiculous screen options! The x13 has an almost acceptable screen but non-touch, and single channel ram issues if I remember right. There just doesn't seem to be a really good ryzen laptop on the market. I'm vaguely hoping the MS surface laptop 4 releases with a nice surprise of reduced bezels and two pcie ssd slots!
    - imhoguy 6y ago
      If you are not pressured to buy now I would advise to wait until the next year where Ryzen laptops with USB4/TB4 will hit the market.
    - cehrlich 6y ago
      The Yoga Slim 7 Pro looks great and has a color accurate retina-level display, but it seems impossible to actually buy one.
      - hackerfromthefu 6y ago
        Yes, it's on my radar! I believe it's not released yet and likely to be early next year.
sz4kerto 6y ago
I wanted that. I actually ordered it in August, then I have cancelled it recently as the shipping date kept shifting (last info was November). T14s AMD looked very good compared to the 9300 in August, but it doesn't look _that_ good in December.
- imhoguy 6y ago
  T14 (not T14s) still available, about 2 weeks wait time in EU.

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krimeo 6y ago

Did they really fix the power management problems? I would be very careful running Linux on Intel laptops these days. Very happy with Ryzen.

vetinari 6y ago

There's going to be Thinkpad X1 Nano this December, it also looks very interesting.

kristianp 6y ago
The X1 carbon is lighter than the xps 13, due to not having a metal shell. I think 14 inch screen is small enough, that's just my preference of course.

rwmj 6y ago

HP Envy x360 is great. It has a 6 (real) core AMD Ryzen 5 4500U, nice screen and absurd battery life (12 hours or something ridiculously long like that). https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/amd-zen-2-laptop/ https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/amd-zen-2-laptop/ The single thing I don't like about it is they've overloaded the backslash/pipe key on to another key.

sz4kerto 6y ago
I don't want to buy an expensive laptop with only 16G RAM.
- kzrdude 6y ago
  Why not? The only thing that really eats ram is chrome tabs
  - d12345m 6y ago
    I function in a data analysis role and the only place I typically get to crunch number is my own laptop. Running a Docker container for SQL Server and doing some work with pandas will eat up my 16gb pretty easily.
  - imhoguy 6y ago
    I know that was trolling :) But let me answer you: 32GB+ RAM on laptop lets me run complete micro-services production-like environment (Java, VM, Docker) locally with efficient development/debug capabilities. And that is at any place where I can get electricity and LTE/4G/3G which is enough to git pull/push or check on-line docs few times a day.
    - kzrdude 6y ago
      Unintentional trolling I guess. I'm just ignorant of what people use the RAM for, and reluctant to accept that our apps need this much.
- imhoguy 6y ago

mgraupner 6y ago

Is the Huawei Matebook AMD edition available in your country? They are available with Ryzen processors and even better screens with a 3:2 display ratio.

sz4kerto 6y ago
They are, but the Matebook D's build quality is very far from e.g. the Matebook Pro. :(

ralala 6y ago

There are currently very serious issues with the wd19tb docking station. https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9300-and-WD19TB-linux-problem/td-p/7644488 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9300-and-WD19TB-li... This leads to random black external screens and network/usb disconnects. It is so unreliable that I stopped using it for real time communication. (Note: I have the xps 13 2-in1 2019 laptop, i7-1065G7)

tbrock 6y ago

I’d wait for the X1 nano. Same thing but better quality.