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Anyone thinking about buying a Tesla needs to follow r/RealTesla for a month before pulling the trigger (unless they're worth perhaps more than 10x-20x the cost

by tpmx 6y ago

Anyone thinking about buying a Tesla needs to follow r/RealTesla for a month before pulling the trigger (unless they're worth perhaps more than 10x-20x the cost of the car).

jsight 6y ago
But keep in mind there is no analagous r/RealAudi or r/RealFord to form a baseline.
- tpmx 6y ago
  I've found other car manufacturer-specific subreddits to be significantly less crazy/religious/cultist than r/teslamotors. I don't think there's a real need for that.
  - jsight 6y ago
    I don't disagree. But I've also found them to have fewer influxes of non-owners that are there just to say negative things. FWIW, I spend some time in both r/teslamotors and r/realtesla. There are pretty clear reasons that both exist, and pretty clear reasons for some frustrations on both sides.
- Buldak 6y ago
  Maybe that fact is telling in itself. No one is preventing anyone from making r/RealFord, I assume.
  - jsight 6y ago
    It is telling. The Tesla fan reddit has 824k subscribers. The BMW reddit? 163k. Audi? 91k. Tesla attracts a vastly more active audience than most other automakers, and the results are interesting. One should be REALLY cautious about drawing broad conclusions, positive or negative from the anecdotes from either (r/realtesla or r/teslamotors) group.
    - tpmx 6y ago
      I view r/TeslaMotors as a fan club (boring), and r/RealTesla as a Tesla criticism/general EV discussion hub (interesting).
      - jsight 6y ago
        That's actually pretty fair at times, though I find the RealTesla crows to be needlessly acerbic at times. But then again that is often true of the r/TeslaMotors crowd too if someone accidentally "insults" the car in the "wrong" way.
judge2020 6y ago
r/TeslaMotors has plenty of real criticism of the car - assuming you don't just go by Tesla's marketing material (which there isn't much of - Tesla's publicity can be attributed to word of mouth and national news chains covering Tesla news/Elon tweets) panel gaps are extremely well-known and almost always expected, and more critical issues are also a possibility for every delivery.
- tpmx 6y ago
  To be fair, I have noticed that r/teslamotors has transformed a little bit in the past year or so. Obvious quality control issues are no longer always systemetically downvoted. Like roofs flying off when driving home from the pickup place.
  - judge2020 6y ago
    Maybe it's only recent but r/Apple is also very critical of Apple's anti-consumer moves[0]. 0: https://redd.it/jaidc5 https://redd.it/jaidc5
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  > r/TeslaMotors has plenty of real criticism of the car Autopilot-barrier-lust posts are quietly removed, for example, My X Tried to Kill Me Today! A reminder for all you auto pilot drivers ... [1] That issue was introduced in April 2018, > Well, even AP2 didn't do this until a few weeks ago when they completely changed the algorithm. So what even counts as "AP1" or "AP2" if they can change everything on you overnight? [2] Then there is "Phantom braking" which began happening in October 2016. A week ago Elon said it is "fixed" and when a user says it isn't, a mod jumps in to say, > Sometimes I don’t think he really knows what is getting pushed to the fleet at that moment. [3] The biggest forum for discussing something should not be moderated as if it were a fan club. [1] https://new.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/hslr3z/my_x_tried_to_kill_me_today_a_reminder_for_all/ https://new.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/hslr3z/my_x_tr... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/8a0jfh/autopilot_barrier_lust_201812/dwv3ev0/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/8a0jfh/autopil... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/j7jvms/elon_musk_says_phantom_braking_likely_fixed_in/g85lttu/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/j7jvms/elon_mu...

by tpmx 6y ago

Anyone thinking about buying a Tesla needs to follow r/RealTesla for a month before pulling the trigger (unless they're worth perhaps more than 10x-20x the cost of the car).

jsight 6y ago

But keep in mind there is no analagous r/RealAudi or r/RealFord to form a baseline.

tpmx 6y ago
I've found other car manufacturer-specific subreddits to be significantly less crazy/religious/cultist than r/teslamotors. I don't think there's a real need for that.
- jsight 6y ago
  I don't disagree. But I've also found them to have fewer influxes of non-owners that are there just to say negative things. FWIW, I spend some time in both r/teslamotors and r/realtesla. There are pretty clear reasons that both exist, and pretty clear reasons for some frustrations on both sides.
Buldak 6y ago
Maybe that fact is telling in itself. No one is preventing anyone from making r/RealFord, I assume.
- jsight 6y ago
  It is telling. The Tesla fan reddit has 824k subscribers. The BMW reddit? 163k. Audi? 91k. Tesla attracts a vastly more active audience than most other automakers, and the results are interesting. One should be REALLY cautious about drawing broad conclusions, positive or negative from the anecdotes from either (r/realtesla or r/teslamotors) group.
  - tpmx 6y ago
    I view r/TeslaMotors as a fan club (boring), and r/RealTesla as a Tesla criticism/general EV discussion hub (interesting).
    - jsight 6y ago
      That's actually pretty fair at times, though I find the RealTesla crows to be needlessly acerbic at times. But then again that is often true of the r/TeslaMotors crowd too if someone accidentally "insults" the car in the "wrong" way.

judge2020 6y ago

r/TeslaMotors has plenty of real criticism of the car - assuming you don't just go by Tesla's marketing material (which there isn't much of - Tesla's publicity can be attributed to word of mouth and national news chains covering Tesla news/Elon tweets) panel gaps are extremely well-known and almost always expected, and more critical issues are also a possibility for every delivery.

tpmx 6y ago
To be fair, I have noticed that r/teslamotors has transformed a little bit in the past year or so. Obvious quality control issues are no longer always systemetically downvoted. Like roofs flying off when driving home from the pickup place.
- judge2020 6y ago
  Maybe it's only recent but r/Apple is also very critical of Apple's anti-consumer moves[0]. 0: https://redd.it/jaidc5 https://redd.it/jaidc5
unityByFreedom 6y ago
> r/TeslaMotors has plenty of real criticism of the car Autopilot-barrier-lust posts are quietly removed, for example, My X Tried to Kill Me Today! A reminder for all you auto pilot drivers ... [1] That issue was introduced in April 2018, > Well, even AP2 didn't do this until a few weeks ago when they completely changed the algorithm. So what even counts as "AP1" or "AP2" if they can change everything on you overnight? [2] Then there is "Phantom braking" which began happening in October 2016. A week ago Elon said it is "fixed" and when a user says it isn't, a mod jumps in to say, > Sometimes I don’t think he really knows what is getting pushed to the fleet at that moment. [3] The biggest forum for discussing something should not be moderated as if it were a fan club. [1] https://new.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/hslr3z/my_x_tried_to_kill_me_today_a_reminder_for_all/ https://new.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/hslr3z/my_x_tr... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/8a0jfh/autopilot_barrier_lust_201812/dwv3ev0/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/8a0jfh/autopil... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/j7jvms/elon_musk_says_phantom_braking_likely_fixed_in/g85lttu/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/j7jvms/elon_mu...