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PR dept dissolved just ahead of the "no questions" return policy. No questions, no problem.

by themantra514 6y ago

babesh 6y ago
They have a de facto PR department. Go ask Elon on Twitter. You may or may not get an answer.
- themantra514 6y ago
  Elon only tweets to pump stonks with fomo insinuations or rage so I'll pass on that option. Ttyl heading out to the cottage in my tank, aka 1991 Toyota Camry :D
  - babesh 6y ago
    I encourage everyone to make their own mind up with data instead of listening to someone else’s opinions. https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      Musk uses Twitter to express himself. He says Twitter is a war zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs
      - babesh 6y ago
        Like I said, just look at the data. Does he or does he not answer questions people have? Expressing himself does not preclude him from answering questions. It’s logic. A being true does not preclude B being true unless B = not(A). https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk
        clouddrover 6y ago
        He uses Twitter to call people paedophiles: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/19/17588574/elon-musk-twitter-cave-rescue-investors-tesla https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/19/17588574/elon-musk-twitte... Is that good PR or bad PR?
        danso 6y ago
        You’re telling people to look at the data, by linking to his Twitter profile which shows around 12,600 tweets? Why don’t you try searching his mentions to get an idea of how many tweet questions he (nevermind Tesla) gets in a single day that go unanswered?
        babesh 6y ago
        Sure. Go to Twitter and search for @elonmusk. I don’t know how or whether you can link to mentions. How many PR requests go unanswered?
        clouddrover 6y ago
        Most of them: https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to-me-for-months-a-1845279798 https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to... People have stopped bothering to ask because they don't get answers. To quote this article, "While The Drive would contact Tesla for an explanation of Gigafactory Berlin's situation, the automaker recently disbanded its communications department.": https://www.thedrive.com/news/37086/german-officials-shut-off-water-at-teslas-gigafactory-berlin-over-unpaid-bill https://www.thedrive.com/news/37086/german-officials-shut-of...
        danso 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/search?q=(to%3Aelonmusk)&src=typed_query&f=live https://twitter.com/search?q=(to%3Aelonmusk)&src=typed_query...
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  - martin8412 6y ago
    Isn't the guy banned from commenting on Tesla by the SEC?
    - klyrs 6y ago
      De jure? I believe so. De facto? He's still doing it
    - tyre 6y ago
      He’s supposed to have a lawyer review tweets. The first lawyer assigned to do this quit Tesla very soon after one of Elon’s (interviewed) inanities, which itself came very soon after the SEC action.
      - zepearl 6y ago
        > He’s supposed to have a lawyer review tweets. Incredible how the world has changed during the last years :)
    - emerongi 6y ago
      Didn't he outright say that no one actually reviews his tweets? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNypdYQoWk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNypdYQoWk
judge2020 6y ago
For reference[0]. 0: https://electrek.co/2020/10/06/tesla-dissolves-pr-department/ https://electrek.co/2020/10/06/tesla-dissolves-pr-department... ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24697610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24697610 ) Elon's twitter is effectively the PR department now: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1317008759286243329?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1317008759286243329?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316837174457896961?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316837174457896961?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316513925878480896?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316513925878480896?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316454693489516545?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316454693489516545?s=20
- pmiller2 6y ago
  This might be the thing that sinks Tesla. The man is a lunatic. If I were on the board of Tesla, I’d want him the hell off Twitter entirely.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - SuoDuanDao 6y ago
    There's a saying, I'm not sure as to the origin, 'If it looks crazy and it works, it's not crazy'. Not sure whether you'd disagree in this instance, but if so I'd sure like to know why.
    - netsharc 6y ago
      And how many years was Madoff a successful investor returning great ROI if you gave him your money?
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        Madoff and Musk are not even in the same bracket. Musk is an actual entrepreneur (albeit one that should learn when to keep his trap shut), Madoff is simply a con artist.
omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
It's possible. It could be random corporate restructuring too, since they now have an "External Relations" department. https://www.prdaily.com/what-teslas-move-to-eliminate-its-pr-department-means-for-the-industry/ https://www.prdaily.com/what-teslas-move-to-eliminate-its-pr... My employer loves to move people around while creating and dissolving groups. I've had a few title/group changes where literally nothing about what I did changed. I suspect they do that because it allows them to couch terminations as layoffs. Just move everyone you want gone into a new group and lay off that group. It's not personal when the whole group is being downsized.

PR dept dissolved just ahead of the "no questions" return policy. No questions, no problem.

babesh 6y ago

They have a de facto PR department. Go ask Elon on Twitter. You may or may not get an answer.

themantra514 6y ago
Elon only tweets to pump stonks with fomo insinuations or rage so I'll pass on that option. Ttyl heading out to the cottage in my tank, aka 1991 Toyota Camry :D
- babesh 6y ago
  I encourage everyone to make their own mind up with data instead of listening to someone else’s opinions. https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    Musk uses Twitter to express himself. He says Twitter is a war zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs
    - babesh 6y ago
      Like I said, just look at the data. Does he or does he not answer questions people have? Expressing himself does not preclude him from answering questions. It’s logic. A being true does not preclude B being true unless B = not(A). https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk
      - clouddrover 6y ago
        He uses Twitter to call people paedophiles: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/19/17588574/elon-musk-twitter-cave-rescue-investors-tesla https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/19/17588574/elon-musk-twitte... Is that good PR or bad PR?
      - danso 6y ago
        You’re telling people to look at the data, by linking to his Twitter profile which shows around 12,600 tweets? Why don’t you try searching his mentions to get an idea of how many tweet questions he (nevermind Tesla) gets in a single day that go unanswered?
        babesh 6y ago
        Sure. Go to Twitter and search for @elonmusk. I don’t know how or whether you can link to mentions. How many PR requests go unanswered?
        clouddrover 6y ago
        Most of them: https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to-me-for-months-a-1845279798 https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to... People have stopped bothering to ask because they don't get answers. To quote this article, "While The Drive would contact Tesla for an explanation of Gigafactory Berlin's situation, the automaker recently disbanded its communications department.": https://www.thedrive.com/news/37086/german-officials-shut-off-water-at-teslas-gigafactory-berlin-over-unpaid-bill https://www.thedrive.com/news/37086/german-officials-shut-of...
        danso 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/search?q=(to%3Aelonmusk)&src=typed_query&f=live https://twitter.com/search?q=(to%3Aelonmusk)&src=typed_query...
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- martin8412 6y ago
  Isn't the guy banned from commenting on Tesla by the SEC?
  - klyrs 6y ago
    De jure? I believe so. De facto? He's still doing it
  - tyre 6y ago
    He’s supposed to have a lawyer review tweets. The first lawyer assigned to do this quit Tesla very soon after one of Elon’s (interviewed) inanities, which itself came very soon after the SEC action.
    - zepearl 6y ago
      > He’s supposed to have a lawyer review tweets. Incredible how the world has changed during the last years :)
  - emerongi 6y ago
    Didn't he outright say that no one actually reviews his tweets? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNypdYQoWk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNypdYQoWk

judge2020 6y ago

For reference[0]. 0: https://electrek.co/2020/10/06/tesla-dissolves-pr-department/ https://electrek.co/2020/10/06/tesla-dissolves-pr-department... ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24697610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24697610 ) Elon's twitter is effectively the PR department now: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1317008759286243329?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1317008759286243329?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316837174457896961?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316837174457896961?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316513925878480896?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316513925878480896?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316454693489516545?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1316454693489516545?s=20

pmiller2 6y ago
This might be the thing that sinks Tesla. The man is a lunatic. If I were on the board of Tesla, I’d want him the hell off Twitter entirely.
- deleted 6y ago
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- SuoDuanDao 6y ago
  There's a saying, I'm not sure as to the origin, 'If it looks crazy and it works, it's not crazy'. Not sure whether you'd disagree in this instance, but if so I'd sure like to know why.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    And how many years was Madoff a successful investor returning great ROI if you gave him your money?
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      Madoff and Musk are not even in the same bracket. Musk is an actual entrepreneur (albeit one that should learn when to keep his trap shut), Madoff is simply a con artist.

omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago

It's possible. It could be random corporate restructuring too, since they now have an "External Relations" department. https://www.prdaily.com/what-teslas-move-to-eliminate-its-pr-department-means-for-the-industry/ https://www.prdaily.com/what-teslas-move-to-eliminate-its-pr... My employer loves to move people around while creating and dissolving groups. I've had a few title/group changes where literally nothing about what I did changed. I suspect they do that because it allows them to couch terminations as layoffs. Just move everyone you want gone into a new group and lay off that group. It's not personal when the whole group is being downsized.