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Sounds like it's not discrimination against race then, but of economic status. The disenfranchisement of poor people.

viraptor 6y ago
It's not mutually exclusive. Discrimination against a race does increase poverty. And poverty increases discrimination against a race.
learc83 6y ago
Poor white people aren't likely to have an undocumented person living in their household though. People in that situation are much less likely to talk to government employees or to fill out census forms in the first place. So yes it's is undercounting poor people, but also disproportionately immigrants and relatives of immigrants.
- WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
  Poor white people aren't likely to have an undocumented - person of color - living in their household. I've known a number of local households that had undocumented Canadians, Brits and Germans. It's been my experience that Americans who are hyper-concerned with illegal immigration, aren't grinding their teeth over these nationalities.
  - learc83 6y ago
    There's definitely a double standard. But Canadians and Europeans make up less than 5% of the total number of undocumented immigrants in the US. So I still stand by my point that poor white people aren't likely to have undocumented people living in their household at all. Regardless of race. >I've known a number of local households that had undocumented Canadians, Brits and Germans. Also how many of those households were poor? There isn't nearly as much incentive for a poor Canadian, Brit, or German to come here as an undocumented immigrant because they'd be giving up guaranteed health care and far more permissive social services.
    - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
      Let's consider this conversely. Do you feel that the tone, tenor and actions (of immigration resistance) would be different, in any way, if Euro descendants made up 95% of immigrants?
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Retric 6y ago
It’s easy to discriminate if you allow proxy’s. Just find something that hurts them more than it hurts you and repeat. Race is already being used as a proxy for political affiliation. Using a proxy for Race as a proxy for political affiliation is less efficient, but still effective.

It's not mutually exclusive. Discrimination against a race does increase poverty. And poverty increases discrimination against a race.

learc83 6y ago

Poor white people aren't likely to have an undocumented person living in their household though. People in that situation are much less likely to talk to government employees or to fill out census forms in the first place. So yes it's is undercounting poor people, but also disproportionately immigrants and relatives of immigrants.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
Poor white people aren't likely to have an undocumented - person of color - living in their household. I've known a number of local households that had undocumented Canadians, Brits and Germans. It's been my experience that Americans who are hyper-concerned with illegal immigration, aren't grinding their teeth over these nationalities.
- learc83 6y ago
  There's definitely a double standard. But Canadians and Europeans make up less than 5% of the total number of undocumented immigrants in the US. So I still stand by my point that poor white people aren't likely to have undocumented people living in their household at all. Regardless of race. >I've known a number of local households that had undocumented Canadians, Brits and Germans. Also how many of those households were poor? There isn't nearly as much incentive for a poor Canadian, Brit, or German to come here as an undocumented immigrant because they'd be giving up guaranteed health care and far more permissive social services.
  - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
    Let's consider this conversely. Do you feel that the tone, tenor and actions (of immigration resistance) would be different, in any way, if Euro descendants made up 95% of immigrants?

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Retric 6y ago

It’s easy to discriminate if you allow proxy’s. Just find something that hurts them more than it hurts you and repeat. Race is already being used as a proxy for political affiliation. Using a proxy for Race as a proxy for political affiliation is less efficient, but still effective.