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See my experience was the opposite in the context of home use. I used Ubuntu desktop as a daily driver for a few years. After a year or so of use boot filled up

See my experience was the opposite in the context of home use. I used Ubuntu desktop as a daily driver for a few years. After a year or so of use boot filled up and the whole thing wouldn't update any more. Finding a resolution to that was a pain in the ass. Turns out I should have done something other than accept the defaults when installing the OS, or known to clear out un-needed kernels from boot periodically. At another point during an upgrade from one LTS edition to another, the DWM was switched out but something happened during the transition and the logon screen booted up to the old, unusable DWM/interface. Had to boot at a different runlevel and point the boot config at the correct DWM. These are the kind of issues which keep Linux on the desktop limited to enthusiasts only. I have worked professionally with Linux for many years, but at home I just want shit that runs itself. I can recover from these kinds of problems but that's my leisure time shot to shit for the evening and that's a very different equation to fixing issues on the clock (or in leisure time where I'm specifically electing to tackle something tech-related e.g. in the homelab). Then I discovered my ageing Windows 7 licenses on the machines would still upgrade to Win10 just fine and that was the end of Linux on the desktop for me for a while.

sergeykish 6y ago
Ubuntu strikes again. No such thing on Arch Linux: $ ls -1 /boot/ grub initramfs-linux-fallback.img initramfs-linux.img intel-ucode.img vmlinuz-linux No LTS and no upgrade either.
- ghthor 6y ago
  Ubuntu has done both good and bad for the linux name
- ac29 6y ago
  The downside to the Arch method of deleting old kernels is that it also deletes modules. So, if you install a kernel update without rebooting, then insert a USB device that needs to load a module it just silently wont work.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    Yes, I have to reboot after kernel update. And I would not have such problem anyway because I have no separate boot partition.
aszen 6y ago
It's always enlightening to see how others users experience are different about the same products. I think the variability in hardware and configurations is the primary cause of some of these issues. It's a hard problem to tackle since distros don't have the huge telemetry data that Windows has to diagnose and fix these issues. This is primarily why I suggest to people to buy hardware with a special focus on Linux support. Companies are now offering linux laptops, Dell with developer edition XPS and lenovo think pads. The Linux experience on these will be vastly superior.
shock 6y ago
Yes, it's much better to have your leisure time polluted by ads and popups every day than fixing something once in a while. /s
- ivalm 6y ago
  I literally have no ads I deal with on win10? I don’t use windows store or xbox store or whatever. On the other hand, my Ubuntu mountain lion desktop so far: 1. Died because somehow kernel upgrade failed and I had to manually roll back 2. Had a weird interaction with vscode causing a system freeze where I had to figure out what to manually modify in config. 3. Occasionally dies when browsing some js heavy pages on chrome I definitely prefer Linux as a dev environment and want my backend apps deployed on Linux servers, but the desktop experience is just not smooth. I can’t imagine my elderly dad dealing with the Linux issues I’ve had so far.

sergeykish 6y ago

Ubuntu strikes again. No such thing on Arch Linux: $ ls -1 /boot/ grub initramfs-linux-fallback.img initramfs-linux.img intel-ucode.img vmlinuz-linux No LTS and no upgrade either.

ghthor 6y ago
Ubuntu has done both good and bad for the linux name
ac29 6y ago
The downside to the Arch method of deleting old kernels is that it also deletes modules. So, if you install a kernel update without rebooting, then insert a USB device that needs to load a module it just silently wont work.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  Yes, I have to reboot after kernel update. And I would not have such problem anyway because I have no separate boot partition.

aszen 6y ago

It's always enlightening to see how others users experience are different about the same products. I think the variability in hardware and configurations is the primary cause of some of these issues. It's a hard problem to tackle since distros don't have the huge telemetry data that Windows has to diagnose and fix these issues. This is primarily why I suggest to people to buy hardware with a special focus on Linux support. Companies are now offering linux laptops, Dell with developer edition XPS and lenovo think pads. The Linux experience on these will be vastly superior.

shock 6y ago

Yes, it's much better to have your leisure time polluted by ads and popups every day than fixing something once in a while. /s

ivalm 6y ago
I literally have no ads I deal with on win10? I don’t use windows store or xbox store or whatever. On the other hand, my Ubuntu mountain lion desktop so far: 1. Died because somehow kernel upgrade failed and I had to manually roll back 2. Had a weird interaction with vscode causing a system freeze where I had to figure out what to manually modify in config. 3. Occasionally dies when browsing some js heavy pages on chrome I definitely prefer Linux as a dev environment and want my backend apps deployed on Linux servers, but the desktop experience is just not smooth. I can’t imagine my elderly dad dealing with the Linux issues I’ve had so far.