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> As far as I'm concerned, the problem is that the system is unable to update itself without rebooting. You are absolutely correct! There was a brief period du

> As far as I'm concerned, the problem is that the system is unable to update itself without rebooting. You are absolutely correct! There was a brief period during XP, I think, where this was the case. Irrespective of that, reboots are a fact of life if you have Windows installed, and allowing and choosing the best time for Windows to reboot is a part of having Windows installed. Don't use Windows if you can't deal with the reboots. Use Mac or Linux.

SkinTaco 6y ago
>Don't use Windows if you can't deal with the reboots. Use Mac or Linux. Are you the person in charge of this at msft or something? Because frankly I can't see a way to say that with a straight face. "let your computer tell you what to do or use an OS that is inferior because the competition paid literally millions of dollars and abused extreme nepotism to make it that way" Trust me, I'd love to use Linux. But it sucks, because billg and the other founding Microsoft members went out of their way to make it that way. E: I don't know why I'm getting down voted for this, it's a documented thing that really happened. Here's one example of one (of the many) times that it happed: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influenced-the-success-of-microsoft.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influe... Another example would be the fake error messages they put out on computers that ran DRDos instead of their own DOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#DR_DOS_6.0_/_Competition_from_Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#DR_DOS_6.0_/_Competitio... >In December 1991, a pre-release version of Windows 3.1 was found to return a non-fatal error message if it detected a non-Microsoft DOS.[7] ... It was a simple matter for Digital Research to patch DR DOS 6.0 to circumvent the AARD code 'authenticity check' in the Windows 3.1 beta by rearranging the order of two internal tables in memory (with no changes in functionality) ... With the detection code disabled, Windows ran perfectly under DR DOS and its successor Novell DOS. The code was present but disabled in the released version of Windows 3.1.[23] You might not remember it if you weren't alive 20 years ago but microsoft played dirty to get to the market position they are in today. FOSS had no hope, and acting like people should just forget this and use crippled software instead is unfair.
- xlii 6y ago
  Yeah, all that FUD and EEE strategy. I still hear in my head adapted saying that "you either die a hero, or live long enough to become Microsoft" (which is especially valid when one thinks about the big corps nowadays). Younger peers think that Microsoft being evil was a fad or a meme, but I remember bribing lawsuits where Microsoft would earn literal billions of dollars shoving their software to the state offices, schools etc., and vendor locking it to the point where anything FOSS would just bork out. Too bad we don't care for the modern corporate history as much as we do for the non-modern one.
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eknkc 6y ago
Macs reboot pretty often to install updates though. They force it on you too. I'm not sure if they ever go ahead and automatically restart / update. But the OS constantly nags you to update.
- FullyFunctional 6y ago
  Like hell they don't. I'm still on two generation back because I don't want to loose 32-bit support. In no way has Apple force me to upgrade and the nagging is even relatively mild.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    The nagging is getting much worse, though. You get the options "Yes," "Try in one hour," "Try tonight," and "Try tomorrow." How about I'LL UPDATE WHEN I WANT TO UPDATE. DON'T ASK AGAIN!?!? I yearn back to the good ol days, when you would issue a command to a computer and it would execute that command and then wait for the next command. The user called the shots. Now computers do all sorts of things that their manufacturer wants, or the OS vendor wants, or the application developer wants. My desire as a user is secondary or unimportant. Automatic software installation, sudden reboots, notifications, Try YouTube Premium!, analytics collection, ads on my browser, ads in the start menu, ads inside applications, Try YouTube Premium!, Setup Cortana!, Setup Siri!, Setup Windows Defender!, Setup your Microsoft Account, Turn on virus protection, Take a Tour, Here's What's New, Keyboard Batteries Low, Disk Not Ejected Properly, Try YouTube Premium! Just stop it! I wish computers would stop just doing things on their own, and that I could go back to my computer only doing things that I ask it to do.
  - brownell 6y ago
    > I'm still on two generation back Perhaps that's why you aren't asked?
- arm 6y ago
  While macOS does constantly nag you to update, it never actually forces you to, unlike Windows 10. Hopefully, Apple won’t follow Microsoft’s lead here in Big Sur…

SkinTaco 6y ago

>Don't use Windows if you can't deal with the reboots. Use Mac or Linux. Are you the person in charge of this at msft or something? Because frankly I can't see a way to say that with a straight face. "let your computer tell you what to do or use an OS that is inferior because the competition paid literally millions of dollars and abused extreme nepotism to make it that way" Trust me, I'd love to use Linux. But it sucks, because billg and the other founding Microsoft members went out of their way to make it that way. E: I don't know why I'm getting down voted for this, it's a documented thing that really happened. Here's one example of one (of the many) times that it happed: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influenced-the-success-of-microsoft.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influe... Another example would be the fake error messages they put out on computers that ran DRDos instead of their own DOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#DR_DOS_6.0_/_Competition_from_Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#DR_DOS_6.0_/_Competitio... >In December 1991, a pre-release version of Windows 3.1 was found to return a non-fatal error message if it detected a non-Microsoft DOS.[7] ... It was a simple matter for Digital Research to patch DR DOS 6.0 to circumvent the AARD code 'authenticity check' in the Windows 3.1 beta by rearranging the order of two internal tables in memory (with no changes in functionality) ... With the detection code disabled, Windows ran perfectly under DR DOS and its successor Novell DOS. The code was present but disabled in the released version of Windows 3.1.[23] You might not remember it if you weren't alive 20 years ago but microsoft played dirty to get to the market position they are in today. FOSS had no hope, and acting like people should just forget this and use crippled software instead is unfair.

xlii 6y ago
Yeah, all that FUD and EEE strategy. I still hear in my head adapted saying that "you either die a hero, or live long enough to become Microsoft" (which is especially valid when one thinks about the big corps nowadays). Younger peers think that Microsoft being evil was a fad or a meme, but I remember bribing lawsuits where Microsoft would earn literal billions of dollars shoving their software to the state offices, schools etc., and vendor locking it to the point where anything FOSS would just bork out. Too bad we don't care for the modern corporate history as much as we do for the non-modern one.
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eknkc 6y ago

Macs reboot pretty often to install updates though. They force it on you too. I'm not sure if they ever go ahead and automatically restart / update. But the OS constantly nags you to update.

FullyFunctional 6y ago
Like hell they don't. I'm still on two generation back because I don't want to loose 32-bit support. In no way has Apple force me to upgrade and the nagging is even relatively mild.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  The nagging is getting much worse, though. You get the options "Yes," "Try in one hour," "Try tonight," and "Try tomorrow." How about I'LL UPDATE WHEN I WANT TO UPDATE. DON'T ASK AGAIN!?!? I yearn back to the good ol days, when you would issue a command to a computer and it would execute that command and then wait for the next command. The user called the shots. Now computers do all sorts of things that their manufacturer wants, or the OS vendor wants, or the application developer wants. My desire as a user is secondary or unimportant. Automatic software installation, sudden reboots, notifications, Try YouTube Premium!, analytics collection, ads on my browser, ads in the start menu, ads inside applications, Try YouTube Premium!, Setup Cortana!, Setup Siri!, Setup Windows Defender!, Setup your Microsoft Account, Turn on virus protection, Take a Tour, Here's What's New, Keyboard Batteries Low, Disk Not Ejected Properly, Try YouTube Premium! Just stop it! I wish computers would stop just doing things on their own, and that I could go back to my computer only doing things that I ask it to do.
- brownell 6y ago
  > I'm still on two generation back Perhaps that's why you aren't asked?
arm 6y ago
While macOS does constantly nag you to update, it never actually forces you to, unlike Windows 10. Hopefully, Apple won’t follow Microsoft’s lead here in Big Sur…