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EDIT: Just to be very sincere and transparent. The content of this post has been removed to avoid further discussion. I do not think my kind of views are welcom

EDIT: Just to be very sincere and transparent. The content of this post has been removed to avoid further discussion. I do not think my kind of views are welcome in this community.

m-ee 6y ago
This is a very software view of things. You’d be hard pressed to get by with whatever the FOSS equivalents of CAD/EDA software are.
- etaioinshrdlu 6y ago
  This is very correct. And this is specific to professional use cases. Hobbyists can get by with FOSS tools.
- iExploder 6y ago
  how about KiCad as replacement for EDA? for CAD, yeah, that is really the last thing to be ported to linux afaik
- Haga 6y ago
  We run it on vms in our shop, windows behaves if frozen in time.
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- Kliment 6y ago
  I do professional electronics design and some mechanical design. I use 100% FLOSS tools. KiCAD nightly is currently slightly less buggy than the closed crap, and about as capable. The major difference is that bugs I report get fixed within days, which I've never experienced with any of the commercial offerings. I use stable KiCAD for most projects, and nightly for things that need advanced functionality. It's absolutely excellent. The mechanical design story is not as great, but FreeCAD is improving at a decent pace and now that Fusion is crippleware a lot of people are looking into FreeCAD, and complaining about how it works, and some are contributing and improving it. KiCAD went through this cycle due to a large influx of Eagle users when Eagle got eaten by the beast, and came out dramatically, shockingly improved. If the same thing happens to FreeCAD in the next few years I doubt we'll have any excuse to go back. So I don't feel "hard pressed to get by" - I feel more productive than before I switched to FLOSS tools.
  - m-ee 6y ago
    It’s been years since I’ve tried KiCad but this is the second time someone’s told me it’s come a long way. Sounds like I should give it another try
    - Kliment 6y ago
      Yeah it's amazing, and I recently did a project on KiCAD nightly (because it has better support for complex buses and high speed stuff, and I needed to put 14 HDMI links on a board) and that's even more amazing (though currently quite buggy as a lot of new stuff was added and it's now in pre-release feature freeze to get the bugs out). There's also two other excellent floss electronics CAD tools - LibrePCB and Horizon, which are also worth trying. They are built by people who felt they could do a different workflow to KiCAD, and have succeeded at that. I personally still feel more comfortable with KiCAD, but it's always nice to see alternatives. One thing I've been seeing with the FLOSS tools that just doesn't exist at all in the commercial world is cross-pollination of both code and features. KiCAD now has footprint DRC built in, which is something that originated in LibrePCB. And Horizon uses the KiCAD routing engine internally, while having a completely different everything else. Developers of all three hang out with each other and exchange ideas. This is something where the commercial closed stuff simply cannot compete.
notRobot 6y ago
I am a huge proponent of libre software, but this is a very naïve view. It's impossible for the average Joe to find a place to work at that will use even 50% FOSS. It's impossible to buy a flagship phone on which you can install a FOSS OS without a ton of technical workarounds. Hell, even today, lots of basic customisation on mainstream GNU/Linux distros require editing files or using the CLI. I'm sorry, but that's just not practical.
apexalpha 6y ago
For most people this "advice" is just as relevant as saying you don't need to use Outlook; just use pen and paper.
fogihujy 6y ago
I would _love_ to ditch Windows, but it's simply not possible to use the Linux-equivalents everywhere. Client requirements and all that.
slykar 6y ago
Or if you still want to pay, then there's MacOS. Never got an unwanted update.
- viraptor 6y ago
  https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/28/macos-ignore-software-updates/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/28/macos-ignore-software-u... It's not quite forced, but you can't explicitly ignore. In practice I'm one accidental click away from an unwanted update now. (Each time need to remember to go one menu level deeper before updating)
  - FullyFunctional 6y ago
    I have this alias in my .bashrc and run it when I'm tired of seeing the red dot: nocatalina() { sudo softwareupdate --ignore "macOS Catalina" defaults write com.apple.systempreferences AttentionPrefBundleIDs 0 killall Dock }
    - viraptor 6y ago
      The first command doesn't work anymore unfortunately. You'll still get it listed and it's a potential footgun.
Haga 6y ago
People have invested in Microsoft and the ui choices of Microsoft products. They invested learning time & money. Linux is to expensive in that regard. You need to study comp science and invest large amounts of time, because the user base is unwilling to share their expertise in a automatable, reuseable format. What is needed is a step to abstract the :formulate Problem, search for problem, find code on Stack overflow, execute command process. If sb clicks on a executable on Linux, he should not need to know. The system, should search for solutions by ofhers with similar systems, apply them and allow for bounties on non working software.but for that to workthe privacy of experts would have to suffer.
andreareina 6y ago
For plenty of people if it doesn't support {QuickBooks, Excel, Photoshop, ...} it's not fit for purpose. Even people who are willing to use alternatives can't when all the people they collaborate with don't.
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EDIT: Just to be very sincere and transparent. The content of this post has been removed to avoid further discussion. I do not think my kind of views are welcome in this community.

m-ee 6y ago

This is a very software view of things. You’d be hard pressed to get by with whatever the FOSS equivalents of CAD/EDA software are.

etaioinshrdlu 6y ago
This is very correct. And this is specific to professional use cases. Hobbyists can get by with FOSS tools.
iExploder 6y ago
how about KiCad as replacement for EDA? for CAD, yeah, that is really the last thing to be ported to linux afaik
Haga 6y ago
We run it on vms in our shop, windows behaves if frozen in time.
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Kliment 6y ago
I do professional electronics design and some mechanical design. I use 100% FLOSS tools. KiCAD nightly is currently slightly less buggy than the closed crap, and about as capable. The major difference is that bugs I report get fixed within days, which I've never experienced with any of the commercial offerings. I use stable KiCAD for most projects, and nightly for things that need advanced functionality. It's absolutely excellent. The mechanical design story is not as great, but FreeCAD is improving at a decent pace and now that Fusion is crippleware a lot of people are looking into FreeCAD, and complaining about how it works, and some are contributing and improving it. KiCAD went through this cycle due to a large influx of Eagle users when Eagle got eaten by the beast, and came out dramatically, shockingly improved. If the same thing happens to FreeCAD in the next few years I doubt we'll have any excuse to go back. So I don't feel "hard pressed to get by" - I feel more productive than before I switched to FLOSS tools.
- m-ee 6y ago
  It’s been years since I’ve tried KiCad but this is the second time someone’s told me it’s come a long way. Sounds like I should give it another try
  - Kliment 6y ago
    Yeah it's amazing, and I recently did a project on KiCAD nightly (because it has better support for complex buses and high speed stuff, and I needed to put 14 HDMI links on a board) and that's even more amazing (though currently quite buggy as a lot of new stuff was added and it's now in pre-release feature freeze to get the bugs out). There's also two other excellent floss electronics CAD tools - LibrePCB and Horizon, which are also worth trying. They are built by people who felt they could do a different workflow to KiCAD, and have succeeded at that. I personally still feel more comfortable with KiCAD, but it's always nice to see alternatives. One thing I've been seeing with the FLOSS tools that just doesn't exist at all in the commercial world is cross-pollination of both code and features. KiCAD now has footprint DRC built in, which is something that originated in LibrePCB. And Horizon uses the KiCAD routing engine internally, while having a completely different everything else. Developers of all three hang out with each other and exchange ideas. This is something where the commercial closed stuff simply cannot compete.

notRobot 6y ago

I am a huge proponent of libre software, but this is a very naïve view. It's impossible for the average Joe to find a place to work at that will use even 50% FOSS. It's impossible to buy a flagship phone on which you can install a FOSS OS without a ton of technical workarounds. Hell, even today, lots of basic customisation on mainstream GNU/Linux distros require editing files or using the CLI. I'm sorry, but that's just not practical.

apexalpha 6y ago

For most people this "advice" is just as relevant as saying you don't need to use Outlook; just use pen and paper.

fogihujy 6y ago

I would _love_ to ditch Windows, but it's simply not possible to use the Linux-equivalents everywhere. Client requirements and all that.

slykar 6y ago

Or if you still want to pay, then there's MacOS. Never got an unwanted update.

viraptor 6y ago
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/28/macos-ignore-software-updates/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/28/macos-ignore-software-u... It's not quite forced, but you can't explicitly ignore. In practice I'm one accidental click away from an unwanted update now. (Each time need to remember to go one menu level deeper before updating)
- FullyFunctional 6y ago
  I have this alias in my .bashrc and run it when I'm tired of seeing the red dot: nocatalina() { sudo softwareupdate --ignore "macOS Catalina" defaults write com.apple.systempreferences AttentionPrefBundleIDs 0 killall Dock }
  - viraptor 6y ago
    The first command doesn't work anymore unfortunately. You'll still get it listed and it's a potential footgun.

Haga 6y ago

People have invested in Microsoft and the ui choices of Microsoft products. They invested learning time & money. Linux is to expensive in that regard. You need to study comp science and invest large amounts of time, because the user base is unwilling to share their expertise in a automatable, reuseable format. What is needed is a step to abstract the :formulate Problem, search for problem, find code on Stack overflow, execute command process. If sb clicks on a executable on Linux, he should not need to know. The system, should search for solutions by ofhers with similar systems, apply them and allow for bounties on non working software.but for that to workthe privacy of experts would have to suffer.

andreareina 6y ago

For plenty of people if it doesn't support {QuickBooks, Excel, Photoshop, ...} it's not fit for purpose. Even people who are willing to use alternatives can't when all the people they collaborate with don't.

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